Alan Sandals for Senate?

For whatever reason, everything that has happened in the past week or so has turned me into a supporter of Alan Sandals for U.S. Senate. I'll write more about this at a later time, but I think he might represent a new kind of leadership that our country needs badly right now.

Obviously, I'm more than willing to change my mind. Nothing is ever set in stone, and I've liked Casey for a while now. Still, Sandals seems to be a best guy for right now. What does everyone think?

I think my perception of the support that Casey has is a little warped. Because Rendell endorsed him early on, I thought that Casey had broad support among labor unions and other traditional members of the party establishment. However, I'm not sure that is true. I'm also not sure that having tepid support from unions and no one else is going to win the election. Instead, I want to figure out who can best communicate their interest in the lives of the average voter.

I worry that Casey is a paper tiger. Consultants and the media have decided he is the best person to unseat Santorum, even if that is not true. Pennacchio suffers from a similar problem-- the perception that he cannot win and is removed from the lives of ordinary people. Sandals, on the other hand, has a long record of paying attention to those things that matter most, like healthcare and basic economic fairness.

Those of you who read but don't comment, please say something.

I think I know who Albert vot

I think I know who Albert votes for.

Just out of curiosity, why Sandals over Pennacchio? If lightning strikes, and Casey can be taken down, it certainly will not happen with both of them in the race.

I think you have it a little

I think you have it a little wrong. Bob Casey Jr entered the race after Chuck Pennacchio did and is 'running' more as an anti-Chuck. Pennacchio is running as an actual choice, and he's more of an anti-Santorum as far as stances on the issues. Look where they all stand on the issues of choice, Iraq, healthcare, living wage, PAC money... Chuck's stances are laid out here. I haven't had a chance to go through Alan Sandals' newly designed site with it's updated issues section yet.

I don't understand how Chuck comes off as being "removed from the lives of ordinary people" - he's a teacher.

While it is refreshing to see that someone else here sees Jr. as not much more than a paper tiger, I wonder why you didn't see Pennacchio as the Progressive choice sooner.

I'd love to see all three Democratic candidates face off in debates. But last I heard from the Sandals and Pennacchio people are that Jr's claim that he's agreed to debates has not been held up. Let's get a campaign going for that. I believe the League of Women Voters of Philadelphia is getting involved in putting one together.

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Albert Yee
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be very afraid

As I said before, I'm planning on voting for Bob Casey and, in a change-of-mind, will do so in November. I've been adequately convinced that the primary is the proper place for progressives to vote their conscience.

As for my primary pick, I still don't know enough about Chuck or Sandals. I did meet Sandals at a young philly dems event last week and liked him. He's good on the issues and he's not basing his campaign on the fact that he's not Bob Casey, which, from the start it SEEMED as though Chuck did. But again, I would still need to dig deeper before committing and am always willing to hear fellow bloggers' opinions.

Oh, one more thing...I was in NYC during the PA Society Weekend and talked with Mister Casey and Mister Santorum and attended a few of the same evnts. I asked questions. I listened and I took notice. I watched both men closely.

And I gotta tell you, I'm afraid for our party come November.

Alan Sandals for block captain

You really have got to be kidding me. I've met Alan a couple of times, and while he seems nice enough, he is in no way, shape, or form a viable candidate for senate. I just popped over to his website and I almost died laughing when I saw his headline "Alan Sandals is Winning." Yeah, and I'm the most handsome boy in the whole-wide-world, right mom? The only thing Sandals is winning is the admiration of a few (and I really mean few)people and the right to put "former Senate candidate" on his resume.

Honestly, if this isn't a vanity candidacy, then I don't know what is...

That said, I definitely share Vern's worries about November, though I'm more worried about the lack of activity and preparation on the Dem side, rather then the candidate. There's a reason that we've lost every full-term Senate race in the past 80 or so years: The Democratic Party of PA has its head lodged in its corrupt and incompetent ass, and has zero connection to the people they claim to represent. And those pompous fools didn't allow any of the other viable candidates to enter, leaving us with Mr. Dull and two guys who couldn't win a school board election outside of Philly. (That said, maybe Sandals and Pennachio should try running for something a bit more modest before they go for the Senate)...

Draft Zinni! It's Security, Stupid!

Nothing wrong with Sandals or Pennacchio

I've met them both a few times. I suppose we're on a first name basis. They are both very good people, extremely wired on the issues, and just what we want for a progressive. Sandals is hotter on the economic issues, Chuck is hotter on the social issues, but they are very similar. If the right were to demonize one of them as a typical "liberal," then that would be Chuck, but Chuck is also a much better campaigner and speaker, though both of them have progressed a great dseal since I first met them early last year.

It is still too early for us to argue about these two. I'd be proud to have either as my Senator. The question is how does either one of them beat Casey, and then take on the Dark Lord, Rick Santorum (R-Bush's Pocket)? Let's focus on the prize, and whatever we do, let's not tear down gfood dDemocratic candidates.

Full Disclosure

Damn, you leave the blogosphere for five seconds and everyone turns into a friggin' hippie. Could we all stop getting along? Please?

I just got home from college, and realized something really funny. A few weeks ago, Alan Sandals hired my sister to be in a commercial. I was really surprised (that Sandals had the money to hire people) and decided to learn more about his campaign.

My sister is an actress and has been in a ton of cool stuff, like movies and plays. So I'm not shocked that she got hired for a commercial, after all it is really only a matter of time before she gets famous (hi Sara). She's really good. I was surprised that Sandals could afford to hire my sister.

So, if Sandals can afford to hire my sister, what else is he doing that might surprise me? I've been making a lot of assumptions and I need to challenge them. I think Sandals is pushing me to do those things.

I'm in a place in my life where I want to challenge assumptions. So Sandals makes sense to me right now.

Pennacchio > Santorum, Sandals etc.

I wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. Pennacchio started his campaign in the begining of last year and has seen growing support since then. Sandals threw his hat (and money) into the ring in December and is already airing commercials in the Philly area.
BTW Sandals and Pennacchio are debating tomorrow in Harrisburg (Casey declined).

Pennacchio is the one with the experience winning US Senate races (he worked for Tom Harkin and Tim Wirth). He is the one with experience on Capitol Hill (working for Al Cranston).

Sandals volunteered at a local office for a senate race when was a teenager. He has no real experience in politics. Not that I don't like his volunteering for other efforts. My point is in comparison the only thing Sandals has going for him against Pennacchio is money.
Pennacchio's campaign is so word-of-mouth and grass-roots that it wont matter.

Someone mentioned they believed Sandals to be more in touch with the people but after reading his website again it just seems like he may have the political operatives behind him but he is a wealthy attorney, sounds like a good man. But he is not the candidate who earns his living as a college professor interacting with the youth, the candidate who has applied himself to helping solve our problems for most of his life.

Pennacchio has the well thought out solutions to so many issues he talks in depth about anything you could think to ask him. He represents the majority of PA people and their views.

My concern is that Sandal's campaign will attract enough votes that otherwise would have gone to Pennacchio and hand this election to Bob.

I cant understand why he could be so unhappy with Pennacchio's politics that he would enter so late in the game and risk giving this primary to Casey and the minority of conservatives in our party.

I think Sandals appeals to a

I think Sandals appeals to a fundementally different base than either Pennacchio or Casey. But I want to hear from other people before I outline why.

Fair is fair- Chuck was runni

Fair is fair- Chuck was running first. But, Casey is not running as an anti Chuck, he is running as if he does not exist, because that is what front runners do. Meanwhile, Chuck is running as an anti Casey, with an email that mentioned him 7 times in 5 paragraphs. He is the underdog, doing what underdogs do, while traveling around to DFA's and the like around PA. He is exciting some people around the state, which is great. I hope he gets some debates. But I also hope he keeps the pledge he made numerous times at the beginning of his campaign: that he would stay positive (which he certainly seems to be not doing), and that if he does not win, that he would campaign vigourously for Casey.

But, what is Sandals doing? He goes to Drinking Liberally, and came to our happy hour, which shows he has good taste. But, has he done any work at all to build any sort of organization whatsoever? He has a good website; and he seems like a good guy, with a good issues page. But, that does not a winning candidacy make.

Alan Sandals wins YOUNG DEMS!!!

Alan Sandals wins YOUNG DEMS!!! I was there. I saw if for myself. The Philadelphia Young Democrats held a forum last Thursday and billed "No Debate Bob" aka "PRO GUN VIOLENCE Rob" aka "Pro Life BOBBY", aka 'Pro Daddy Name Sake Robert" as the headliner guest for the night However, not only did he not show up, but the surrogate that he sent to read a letter on his (young people don't matter) behalf decided that he was to god for us as well so, instead, they passed the letter to the a member of the young Dems to read in his place. To long these politicians continue to take young voters for granted. This election we will show them differently on the flip side, I loved Alan remarks so much that I got a copy from the guy in the back who video taped it. Here is my attempt at transcribing what was shoot that night, it went sorta like this:

ALAN SANDALS REMARKS

“By show of hands— who wants to see a woman’s Right to Choose preserved?
(We all raised our hands)
By show of hands— who wants to see gun violence end in Phila?
(We all raised our hands)
By show of hands—who agrees with me that we need to get the heck out of Iraq?
(We all raised our hands)

He continued:
My name is Alan Sandals- I’m running for US Senate
B/c I care about the future of Philadelphia and all of Pennsylvania
And you young Democrats are the future.

Now… Why didn’t Bob Casey show up?

Is it because I’m for strict gun control laws and he is not?

We need to end gun violence in all of its forms- We can do this with strict limits on handgun purchases and banning assault weapons

And I helped introduce a Gun Control Ballot Initiative- I was there!!

You know where I stand on this issue… where does Bob Casey stand?

Maybe Bob Casey didn’t come b/c I’m for a woman’s right to choose and he is not

I believe in women’s rights; government should not be allowed to intrude on a woman’s personal medical decision; apparently Bob Casey does not believe the same thing its clear: I’m Pro choice; he’s Anti-choice

Or maybe Bob Casey didn’t come b/c I’m for getting our troops the heck out of Iraq

According to the National Priorities Project, we’ve spent $226 BILLION on the War on Iraq
And… they’ve just asked for another $100 BILLION!!
With just the money spent to date, that’s $376,000 per college student in Pennsylvania!!

Where are our priorities??
Now tell me, everyone… By show of hands, who wants to see the candidate’s debate?
In addition to coming here to introduce myself to you all, I also came to challenge Bob Casey on comments he made last weekend that he would debate in the primary. I have a letter here in my hand—from Alan Sandals to Bob Casey. Well, it’s time to plan a debate for Bob by the end of January.
Ladies and gentleman, I am a TRUE DEMOCRAT, not a lite Republican like Bob Casey. Remember that on May 16 when we advance a progressive message and through Rick Santorum the hell out of office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Not only do I want him to be my Block Captain, and my US Senator, this guy has the right IDEA to deliver the proper message for President of The United States!!!! ALAN Sandals is WINNING!!!!

VOTE OR DIE!

I like Sandals

I just read his website and I agree with him on some issues and I am sure he is a nice guy as many have mentioned. Santorum is the prize and we should all work together to get rid of Santorum.

Sandals' money comes from . . .

Sandals! that's right, he gave his campaign some money and loaned it some more. He is buying himself some good talent.

Please compare Chuck Pennacchio, who is building himself a state-wide organization with very little money, but lots of energy from volunteers who believe in him. Chuck has everything you need to win a senate campaign -- experience, guts, organizing ability, a real message -- except for money and name recognition, which will fall into his lap if he wins the primary.

If we want to beat Santorum, Chuck is the guy to do it.

Few things- Sandals did no

Few things-

Sandals did not really come into the race late. Many people around the Country are still deciding whether to run, or have recently made that decision. He is no different. That is not to say I think Sandals is particularly viable, but, I don't think that argument has merit. First does not mean right.

The worst, and I mean worst, argument for Pennacchio that both he and his supporters give is that he "knows how to win," because he worked on a few Senate campaigns. This is not a job interview for a campaign manager, right? He worked for out of state candiates, in the 1980's. Really, this gets zero traction with me. Do you think anyone knows o or cares who Tim Wirth is?

If Pennacchhio and Sandals start polling at 15 or 20 percent, maybe progressives should have their own primary, and urge the other one to drop out. But at this point, neither one of them would crack ten percent, and it is not an issue of stealing each others votes.

Who does he appeal to?

I know very little about this guy and your post doesn't quite illuminate...can you tell me more?

And meanwhile, can we all make sure to include Casey and his econonomic justice strengths in this debate? So far, Chuck only seems to be running as the anti-casey, how is Sandals different?

Are you saying that Pennacchi

Are you saying that Pennacchio pointing out that Casey Jr [and Santorum] is anti-choice, pro-PAC, pro-the Iraq war... and that Pennacchio is pro-choice, anti-pac and anti-the Iraq war is not staying positive?

Pennacchio does not want the voters to be fooled. He speaks of his stances and he _must_ point out the stances of his opponents in this primary race as a basis of comparison.
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Albert Yee
http://dragonballyee.blogs.com

I prefer flip-flops

Actually, I'm beginning to warm up to Alan and his quixotic campaign. I mean, how many candidates would be willing to go after the LSD demographic. What other reason would Alan have for putting such a trippy picture on his site? (And BTW- his campaign slogan has changed from the delusional "Alan Sandals is Winning" to the merely muddled "The True Democrat Who Will Win In November". Memo to Alan-> the primary is in May, and you're still delusional if you think you'll win that)

Draft Zinni! It's Security, Stupid!

I don't want to "beat" Santor

I don't want to "beat" Santorum. I want Pennsylvania to have the best possible representation in the U.S. Senate.

As for the money thing, I've already addressed this in another thread on Tom Knox.

Sandals and Casey

I agree that Chuck is running as the Anti-Casey. As for Casey, he is running as the anti-Santorum. Sandals seems to be offering a serious alternative. I'm going to try to compare the two bios offered on Casey and Sandals sites:

Casey:

As Auditor General – the Commonwealth’s independently elected fiscal watchdog and whistle blower – Casey aggressively fought to stop waste and fraud involving tax dollars and improve the effectiveness of government services and agencies. His efforts directly resulted in changes that have saved Pennsylvania taxpayers more than $1 billion.

Casey’s 2002 review of state contracting practices revealed that over $3 billion in state contracts had been awarded to 1,800 firms that owed taxes or other monies to the Commonwealth or that had been banned from state projects for fraudulent billing practices.

This is a small example, but notice that Casey's site is almost all about things that he has done with power. The overarching theme is that if Casey gets into power, he will right all the wrongs that Santorum has committed. Of course, this is a bit silly. Casey will be one of 100 senators. He will not be able to overturn destructive economic and foreign policy alone. Yet his site seems to be saying that Casey can move mountains.

In contrast, Sandals focuses on the ability of people to have power in their own lives.

During his nearly 20 years of fighting for working people in Pennsylvania and other states, he has successfully represented citizens of all backgrounds and ages. His clients have included retired coal miners who worked for Bethlehem Steel, truck drivers from Central Pennsylvania, cannery workers from Campbell Soup, retired engineers and secretaries from Unisys in Blue Bell and New Holland, and rocket scientists from GE Aerospace/Lockheed Martin.

My take on the narrative that Sandals is offering is pretty simple. Throughout his site, he provides examples of how people can accomplish things that make the world a better place. He also uses examples that help people connect politics with their own lives. Am I misinterpreting Casey or Sandals?

I want to be clear I am very open to the idea that I might be totally wrong about all of this.

No, but, for example, when he

No, but, for example, when he attacks Casey as taking money from the group that funded the attacks ads because the one of the groups that donates to that PAC also donates to Chris Dodd's PAC. And Chris Dodd, one of the more liberal Senators, does that most unusual thing, and donates money from his PAC to a front runner? Because the first PAC airs a million dollars worth of attack ads, Casey is hypocritical?

Anyway, of course he has the right to talk about issues. But, what is clear is that, as expected, Chuck has made the decision that for him to win, he is going to have to go directly after Casey. That is a notable shift from when the campaign first started, and Tim was following around Santorum with a camera, etc, and there really was very little mention of Casey at all. But, obviously, looking at the communications that come from the campaign, that has changed. Again, that is perfectly fine, and simply more realistic than what seemed to be hoped for before.

But, given the votes today that killed medicare, medicaid, and student loans, Spector and Santorum voted yes, and every single Democrat, from Bill Nelson to Barack O'Bama voted against, saying they are the same is absurd.

Anyway, I don't want to sound

Anyway, I don't want to sound perpetually down on Chuck. Although I have not been particularly impressed by him, others have, and I respect that he is putting in a lot of work, even if it may or may not involve tilting and windmills. I certainly think there should be a debate or three with all announced candidates.

The presence of money is generally pretty gross, and he is right in that both sides play the game. But, I admit that when the target is the worst Senator in the world, I am willing to accept less than perfect.

loser

That's what they call young idealistic fools like yourself.

Draft Zinni! It's Security, Stupid!

Alan Sandals is the right man to beat Santorum

Hi,
I'm new to this blog, but I believe I can contribute to the debate. First, I met Alan Sandals at his campaign kick-off two weeks ago. He is extremely articulate and intelligent. Of course, those qualities alone don't necessarily make him the best candidate. However, his strengths are far beyond being able to speak coherently. Alan's background as a pension rights attorney makes him passionate about working people. He has spent almost 20 years fighting for those who have been unable to fight for themselves -- teachers, coal miners, truckers, factory workers, etc. He continues to be an advocate for people in all walks of life, including children (as President of Support Center for Child Advocates). His current case involves thousands of Lucent retirees who are trying to receive their promised survivor benefits. Alan is an expert in retirement security and health care finance, issues that plague Pennsylvania, as well as the rest of the nation. On top of all this, he is a pro-choice candidate. Bob Casey, Jr. is NOT. In fact, Casey has been agressive in his pro-life stance. For me, this is one of the biggest arguments in favor of Sandals. He is a Democrat's Democrat. He is working a progressive, grass-roots campaign and not relying on his family name to carry him into the Senate. Alan has said he would like to debate Santorum "any time, any place", something which the Casey camp has not been willing to do.

I hope this clarifies some of the questions you may still have about Alan Sandals. We need to get the word out. Here is a man who is a passionate, life-long Democrat who really has the ability to beat Santorum if given the chance. Let's get behind him!!

so the power of people is...

...that they hire a good lawyer? not sure i buy your argument here...

That's right, he thinks PACs

That's right, he thinks PACs are bad and the people volunteering on the campaign [myself included] believe that association with one PAC means associating with the PACs that PAC is connected with. I'd like for PACs to be gone and elections to be publically funded, as I believe you do, but they're here now so I/we/he will continue to rail on them. Casey Jr's camp argument is that AFJS and Santorum are linked monetarily, well, they're also linked monetarily to Casey Jr, so, isn't that hypocritical?

Aren't Pennacchio's opponents Alan Sandals and Bob Casey Jr. right now? Shouldn't those three be running against each other? That makes sense to me. I wasn't following the PA race when Tim was in town until just before he left so I don't know much of what went on there.

I'm not saying that they're the same, but I am saying that they are waaaay to similar for my liking. And speaking of votes... I find it odd that the Dem leadership is so intent on making choice an issue with the Alito nomination and then turns around and annoints an outspoken [by his standards] anti-choice nominee here in PA where one Senator is a pro-choice Republican. I hope that Casey Jr would've voted against the cuts. I know that Senator Pennacchio would have voted against them.
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Albert Yee
http://dragonballyee.blogs.com

The choice is not for less-th

The choice is not for less-than-perfect right now and that's what annoys me so much. You've got two much much better candidates on the issues than the annointed one.
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Albert Yee
http://dragonballyee.blogs.com

Sadly, No!

Hi Steph,

Thanks for the well-reasoned and thought out argument as to why you support Alan Sandals. It's clear you spent a lot of time on this post. Sadly, you really have no business posting on this topic.

You see, only people who know what color underware Casey, Santorum, and Sandals wore this morning can have an opinion on the election. You might have met Sandals in person, but that doesn't mean you actually have any idea what you're talking about. Nice try though!

But please, feel free to write more in the future!

Knowing-it-ally,
Ben Waxman

PS
In case you wondering the answers:

1) Casey - Grey. Boring Grey.
2) Sandals - I couldn't care less.
3) Santorum - He wears a thong! Don't tell anyone.

PACs are bad?

Saying PACs are bad seems as silly to me as saying that "politics is bad." It's a statement that does not mean anything. There are lots of differen kinds of PACs, some good and some bad.

Woefully naive

Seriously, what's wrong with accepting money and support from organized labor and other Democratic candidates -- because that's the overwhelming majority of Casey's "evil PAC money".

Since this election will not be publicly funded, how is Pennacchio going to compete with Santorum's expected $15M?

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