Am I having an identity crisis, or have I just gone completely nuts?

Ok, I'm supporting a candidate for president who, based on his policy platform, is fairly centrist. Now, I find myself hoping that he'll ask the former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan to be his running mate. Despite differences with Jim Webb on a number of issues, (he's a self-described "Reagan Democrat' no less), I feel that his approach is compatible with Obama's. I wouldn't have a problem with Webb: he's reasonable people, who takes reasoned approaches to examining issues,

Take a listen to this interview, and tell me whether I've completely lost it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90595861

Maybe you're having an

Maybe you're having an identity crisis, who you are is up to you after all :) But I don't think you're nuts. That said, I think you may be a little wild thinking if you really think Webb is a serious VP contender and not a Senator on a book tour. This interview isn't the first time Webb says he's not interested in a VP offer.

I think Webb's name floating as a veep contender among speculators is just his name still resonating after it was used to repair some of Obama's momentum during "bittergate." I'm not sure who first made the save, but someone pointed out that Webb's Senate campaign stump speech (which he pretty much rehashes in this interview) covered very similar ground as Obama's description of Republican exploitation of "working class Americans." The difference of course was Webb was talking directly to those working class Americans (the gist being "They've been using you, I'll fight FOR you"), and Obama got trapped into seeming like he was creating a "them" out of them.

I have family relations and connections who worked in the DoD during the same period as Webb. Bluntly, they all thought of him as a pretty smart guy, but kind of a dick about it (their perjorative) and definitely not smart enough to justify his particular level of cockiness. That's neither here nor there, but it's enough to give my gut pause when his name's floated.

Tailhook? and the female vote

I think Webb has to answer for his reactions re: Tailhook. I understand he was trying to "save" an institution he felt was under attack and I understand the witch hunt critique he was making, but his defense of "navy culture" was too vague and apologist to give perspective to the scandal. I think Obama would hurt himself with women, all of us who want a strong female voice and/or perspective at the top (if not through Clinton), by bringing in someone like Webb at this time.

Interesting perspective, Helen

I wasn't aware of his comments on Tailhook. It seemed to me that he would be an extremely logical choice, given the military background, (white) working-class appeal to counterbalance the "elitist" propaganda about Obama, etc. I was wondering what skeletons there might be. Do you have the sense that his apologist stance on Tailhook reflects a more generalized problem? Do you find his comments about Tailhook have a high profile among politically active Democratic women? Are their other ways that you think that his politics on women's issues is lacking? Are you saying that you would be disappointed no matter who it is if Obama doesn't select a woman to be his running mate?

My main reaction to the interview was along the lines of what "cheesesteak" (Is that Mr. cheesesteak.the? Ms. cheesteak.the?) describes above: Webb's basic rhetoric about Republican exploitation of the working class seemed to me to be a natural match with Obama's rhetoric.

OK- you've lost it

Tailhook was not an Obama/Wright kind of scandal. Webb was former secretary of the Navy, Tailhook was a major scandal not because of a one-time incident; this was an annual affair after all. It's hard to talk about Webb without considering Tailhook, and his reactions since then.

A quote from his piece "The War on the Military Culture" in The Weekly Standard on Jan. 20, 1997:

Webb: Events such as the 1991 Tailhook debacle have been seized upon and used by feminists to attack the military culture and bring about major concessions.

I don't in any way think he condoned the sexual assaults but he very clearly draws a line around "feminists" and his staunch upholding of a vague "navy culture" he felt was under attack. Navy culture is equally problematic about the promotion of women, about gays in the military, and a host of other things that need clarifying. It's not just about whether he toes a "politically correct" or logical line on abortion, or whatever (I don't actually know if he does or not) but he just has a lot of questions that need answering.

And for the record, because I'm a woman and ask questions about Webb doesn't mean in any way I'd be disappointed if Obama chose anyone other than a woman. That's irrelevant to questions about Webb. Your question was about whether Webb was the best, most "logical" choice, and I was answering to that. I have no comment on whether Webb as a candidate is good on other issues. I just don't think any woman would consider him a "logical" choice.

Helen: not debating whether I've lost it,

but I think maybe you misconstrued my questions?

I wasn't challenging you. Seriously, I know virtually nothing about Tailhook - and basically thought it was a specific scandal rather than a manifestation of sexism any more than any number of incidents reflect the sexism that pervades the military or society in general. I wasn't challenging your objections to Webb based on his response to Tailhook.

Also, I wasn't challenging you on whether you'd feel disappointed if Obama selected a man - just asking. I'm not sure that choosing a woman shouldn't be the top criteria he should use in making a selection. Aside from obvious aspects of equitable representation - it would probably also be a very good strategic move.

I love the idea that male/female tickets

should become a trend. A new, improved definition of a balanced ticket is a beautiful thing.

Maybe one day gay/straight gets added to the equation.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves: Because Obama brings together such a disparate electorate (as any successful presidential candidate must)--and really because it's built into choosing anyone's running mate--someone is going to be disappointed by Obama's vice-presidential selection. That's a given.

I don't think you've lost it over Webb, Josh (now, there may be other reasons...).

Webb could conceivably help focus the Obama campaign on ideas they'd like to highlight and that could prove powerful: opposition to the war, bi-partisanship, even the concepts of principled patriotism, rational optimism, and intelligent, thoughtful government.

As you note, he sounds reasonable in interviews and he has a resume as an executive; that means he'd likely prove acceptable as a possible president.

The real military background helps too with the 04's Number One issue: will they protect us?

Most of all, he sounds like Obama a lot of the time, and that helps in places where racism makes people tune out Obama's message and fixate on the color of his skin. By sounding so harmonious with Obama, Webb could remind voters that Reagan Democrats can be on the same page with Obama.

Good running mates sometimes amplify rather than diversify a campaign's message, as Al Gore did with Bill Clinton.

That said, Webb's comments regarding Tailhook and especially the allegations that passages in some of his novels sound misogynist, are disturbing and could prove drawbacks.

There are lots of good reasons to root for him, but he'd have some explaining to do. His selection might compel McCain to tap Kay Bailey Hutchison to really magnify gender as an issue.

There are no perfect v.p. candidates. Hillary compels a ton of voters that Obama doesn't, but she also muddles his message a bit and brings a her own detractors and potential distractions. Kathleen Sebelius harmonizes very well but can come off as inexperienced, which could be a relevant liability in a campaign against McCain; similar story with Claire McCaskill, but she's a good interview. My favorite for a while was Janet Napolitano, who usually gets high marks for her performance as Governor of Arizona (among Time's Top 5 Governors last year), so she even had some observers hoping she'd run for president herself this year. She harmonizes well too, but can seem awkward in interviews and in speeches; and lest we feel too good about our broad-mindedness this year, she may well be hurt by rumors that she's gay.

Tim Kaine has some of the qualities of Webb and Napolitano with fewer drawbacks, but he is probably less compelling as an intelligent outsider or as an outstanding governor. Brian Schweitzer is a better story but has personal quirks with the potential to distract. Same with Wes Clark; and while he has a lot going for him on paper, he proved a dud as a campaigner last time.

My point is that we'll probably be able to identify problems with whomever Obama chooses.

I'm just playing the indignant feminist

I didn't mean to put you on that much of a defensive either (except for the part of questioning whether I'd only be satisfied with a female VP).

I am surprised though that Tailhook wasn't really on your radar. Webb wasn't Secretary of the Navy during the specific scandal, but Tailhook as an event was going on during his tenure and he had to have known its reputation. In addition, he really stepped up to critique the whole thing afterward. I understand his critique to a point. This is an institution you've devoted your life to and watching it fall apart while the media puts anyone with a live pulse on a 24 hour cycle to speculate on what happened and why is devastating. On the other hand, what happened was unbelievable and i think Webb would have been better off being strategic about his concerns (after all it was years later when he began voicing them)rather than just being defensive of the navy and minimizing the complaints, and especially by yelping about "feminists." That's just too insulting.

(I did some refreshing of it during his runoff with George Allen post the macaca incident. My husband was the one who reminded me about it so it's not just women who remember. In addition, the Republicans tried to remind people of it as well.)

Throwing out Obama VP candidates is a great idea, and I know shooting them down is an easy enough task, but like i said if you're talking about bringing in the clinton base, how that VP plays among women needs to be part of the equation.

in 1991

i was 12.

Prove it Ray

Show us a picture. Come on. You know you were cute.

So back on Webb

Some folks may or may not know I'm sort of working on looking at unconstitutional overcrowding in Philly's local prison system where 60% of those held are not convicted of any crime yet but merely awaiting trial. Up to 60% of that pre-trial 60% are there simply because they can't afford to make bail - even a low bail - of say $535. If our goal is to make people pee in a cup or submit to supervision while they await trial for minor offenses, there are many cheaper alternatives like "day reporting" that could be applied both more cheaply and more effectively for people facing lesser charges. Essentially an awful lot of the city's resources are going to pre-emptively imprison poor people with drug and mental problems, and thats money that could be used to say beef up re-entry programs, make parole and probation work better for more serious offenders, or for intervention programs aimed at young people - all of which do more to actually make Philly's streets safer in the long run.

Its an ongoing project and I've been gathering some resources on the topic here.

But back on Webb, I found this interview a refreshingly honest perspective on this topic you seldom hear from national politicians. On US incarceration rates, Webb speaks more honestly than most in the Senate do which is well worth noting.

-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.

Webb for Veep? Not just yet.

If this were Webb's 2nd term in the Senate, he'd be an excellent choice. However, it could be a problem were the Dems to have two 1st term Senators on the same ticket.

I've said it before + I'll say it here: the best possible VP for Obama is Bill Richardson. In no particular order...

* He's Hispanic, meaning that he's a member of the fastest-growing ethnicity in the US
* He has done basically everything that one can do in government w/o being President
* He comes from the desert SW, a part of the country which Obama would really likke to carry

Thoughts?
-Z

On Obama and running mates

I wrote an addendum to my last post because I thought it came out kind of wishy-washy regarding what to do about Webb; I thought it posted, but i see this morning that it didn't. Stupid internet connection, The Last Drop is really slacking off.

Anyway, what I said was this:

If I were advising Obama, I'd interview Webb for the reasons Josh listed above. Sean's post today reveals the central rationale: Webb amplifies one of Obama's most special qualities, he speaks with unusual honesty for a politician and comes across as a similarly principled and refreshing politician that voters might find uniquely trustworthy, as so many Obama supporters already find Obama. Zorro, I'd argue his executive experience as Secretary of the Navy is adequate preparation and his Senate seat just shows he's still relevant. (I forgot that my dad worked for him; I'll have to ask his opinion of Webb.)

That said, at the interview I'd try to determine if he's really a misogynist, if he can explains his comments about Tailhook and the disturbing passages in his writing. If he can't, he's gone. If he can, I'd move him on to the semi-finals.

I wrote that I'd also interview Clinton, Richardson (for all the good reasons zorro mentions), Sebelius, maybe Napolitano, maybe McCaskill, one of the other preferred state candidates like Kaine (or Mark Warner) or Ted Strickland, and one wild card of the candidate's choosing.

Whoever was left standing after the first interviews, I'd double vet. Then I'd suggest choosing whomever the candidate and the staff thinks would make the best president.

Do No Harm

The first rule for picking Veep candidates is the same as the first rule for doctors.

VP candidates rarely help win an election. (Gore helped a bit, or at least the idea of Gore helped. Gore's actually campaigning when he wasn't near Clinton probably had little effect.) Sometimes they hurt, but even then not much. (Quayle probably hurt Bush just a little.)

So eliminate anyone on your list who will generate three days worth of negative stories. Bye bye Webb and Napolitano.

I suspect that VPs were more important in the days of political machines when the President's choice was a way of reassuring and including the political bosses who actually ran the election machines. The last time this really mattered was in 1960.

The parallel today is to pick a candidate who can motivate activists one might not have otherwise.

On the assumption that some Hillary supporters are still going to be angry about losing, that means Hillary and Bill are the best choice.

But if that assumption is incorrect and Obama is not going lose the Hillary activists--Hannah Miller aside--then again the rule is Do No Harm.

It's like picking a spouse for the English monarch. We want someone with a good enough history but no past.

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