- The library: a recession sanctuary?
- Nutter should get credit where credit's due
- Thursday Counter-Protest at "We Stand with Israel" Rally
- This Saturday: hearing of Mayor's Task force on Ethics
- Why do we fund this?
- ABC debuts "Homeland Security USA"
- Library Closings: They Have Never Really Been About The Budget Crisis
- DA's Job to Prosecute Environmental Crime
- Is the number of branch libraries in Philly significantly out of line with cities of comparable size?
- Nutter Doesn't Have to Follow the Law says Seventy
Daily News Poll: Knox in First, Brady raises, Fattah drops
Well folks, the new Daily News/Keystone Poll is out. Here are the results:
"The poll of registered Democrats showed Knox in first with 24 percent, Fattah following with 17 percent, Brady at 16 percent, former Councilman Michael Nutter with 12 percent and state Rep. Dwight Evans with 10 percent. The margin of error was 5 percent."
For full data, look here: http://pdn.philly.com/2007/04/05/poll.pdf
There are three things to note. Despite spending millions since the January Keystone Poll, Knox only increased 2%. Bob Brady has risen dramatically from last place in January to tied for second with 16%.
Perhaps most interesting, Chaka Fattah dropped from front-runner to 17%, losing almost 10 points. Also, his favorability ratings are down, and unfavorability up.
In other bad news for Fattah today, the Daily News reported that he only has around $600,000 in the bank, which can buy him about a week -- not two -- of network TV. Also reported are that Michael Nutter and Dwight Evans have been raising some real money.
I think the following conclusions can be made:
1. This is now Tom Knox's race to lose. Every poll has had him in first place, and he's outside the margin of error. Money talks, and the campaign finance laws created the environment for the self-funded multi-millionaire to go up heavy on TV and condition voters to his story. His commitment to "spend whatever it takes" will continue.
2. Chaka Fattah's chances are in serious jeopardy. His numbers are dropping like a lead balloon, more voters are viewing him unfavorably, and he doesn't have the cash to combat this or do anything about it (let alone mount a serious campaign). Also, he has yet to withstand Michael Nutter, and in particular Dwight Evans, who have to displace him to win. More and more, it looks like Fattah's going to be a thing of the past, and even if he can stay in front-runner position for the African-American candidates, it looks unlikely that he could take out Knox. Word on the street is that Knox's opposition research people have been building a war-chest of "silver-bullets" to take out Fattah when they think they need to. His belief is that with money, anyone could be smeared out of recognition, while his own candidacy is promoted.
3. Bob Brady has shown the most impressive lead. He is tied for second and raising while Fattah is sinking. Looks like this race may be Brady vs. Knox after all. For Brady to win, people are going to have to become aware of Knox's sordid past, and defect from support for him. In addition, Brady will need to call on his effective street organization to deliver his vote.
4. Never rule out Michael Nutter or Dwight Evans. That said, they both continue to be in last place. Who knows if voters will get disgusted of the front runners when this goes negative, or what can happen. Who knows if African-American voters will bail on Chaka and rally around Dwight? If reformer voters will leave front-runner Knox to give Michael a chance, given his record and experience?
Anyway you slice it, though, Knox is in a commanding lead, Fattah is dropping, and Brady is picking up speed.











Knox in lead
And who said money can't buy an election? It must have been Knox's support of ending pay to play legislation that got him here... It must have been his drafting the smoking ordinance... It must have been his record of community service... It must have been his amazing track record as deputy mayor...
nope, none of that was him. It's just about the money.
To be honest, the only person on this site who really saw this coming was Councilman Kenney, and he was "jumped" when he suggested that Knox could actually buy this election based on the "loop-hole" for multi-millionairs who self fund a campaign.
Well, also as you said, he
Well, also as you said, he only 2% more. It could be easily argued he bought name recognition at the expense of Fattah.
Also, all that money hasn't swayed the 20% of undecided that has remained constant.
My interpretation is that Knox has plateaued at Fattah's expense (the only other guy with real name recognition).
I think the last month of the stretch will come down to fighting over voters for legitimate issues and the other candidates, Brady, Evans and Nutter have no where to go but up and I think Knox has probably hit his highest numbers and now needs to fight to keep them.
As Always...
your expert commentary that is in no way, shape, or form biased towards Bob Brady or against the two candidates who threaten his campaign according inconclusive polling data is deeply appreciated.
Well?
Well, what's your assessment then? If you have a different interpretation, then give it!
I've got one
Kenney's bill was a bad idea, no matter who would have benefitted or been disadvantaged as a result. The other candidates all have sufficient resources to win this if their platforms and resumes are compelling enough; as I pointed out during the debate over the Kenney proposal, the overwhelming number of self-financing challengers end up losing.
I hear your point
I hear your point. However, although the ends may not justify the means, the means also don't justify the ends. Process is important, but isn't the only important thing. What that process delivers is also a statement on the process.
If a guy (Knox) who no one who really follows the race think is credible can win, because there is an unlevel playing field, is it a good process?
I know you say the others have the resources to win, but how many polls do you want to see with Knox in 1st place *outside the margin of error* to start believing that he could buy the election?? We better start dealing with that reality.
I know you guys who advocated for this ordinance don't want to take personal responsibility for this monster, but someone will have to. And without the current financing landscape, we wouldn't even be talking about Knox.
Knox would be a disaster as mayor, we all know that. But he's first in the polls and likely to win. Why? Because whereas Chaka can only afford one week of network TV (and so better choose it wisely) Knox has been on for MONTHS and has already purchased all the key slots up to election day. Also, he has budget to recover from any mud slung on him, and has a media assault team ready to take out other candidates.
Speaking of assault teams, why do you think he has Michael Youngblood on staff? You got it, he's pulled together a team of muscle to intimidate.
So, here the pay-day-loan king, who was a deputy mayor while giving large contributions to the mayor and getting insider no-bid contracts, and who has hired former drug-dealers and convicted extortionists to be his muscle and intimidation squad, gets to coast by as the reformer and visionary.
It's just wrong. And it's wrong -- and perhaps unstoppable -- because of the current situation. The same situation that is making it almost impossible for Michael Nutter to win (an unfortunate slap in the face to the man who crafted all this).
structural problems
IMHO, the real problem isn't the campaign finance laws -- it's the fact that we have a winner-take-all primary in what's effectively a one-party city, in which a candidate can win the mayor's office in a five-way field with 30% or less out of one party's registered voters.
Given that we have no GOP here (and even if we did), the City should move to an open, nonpartisan mayoral primary in which the top two finishers move on to November's general election (unless one candidate takes 50%+ in the primary). Louisiana does it, and I think it's a better system for races like this.
FWIW, I'm not going to comment on any of the candidates.
I strongly agree.
I strongly agree.
Great minds something something
I couldn't agree more. I've gone back and forth between that system and the Instant Run-Off voting. Imagine having all of these candidates in the race from now until November, criss-crossing the City, talking about the issues, and then have them battle it out in November with an IRV system. Then again, I like the idea of narrowing it down to two viable candidates in May and having them conduct a traditional two-person campaign throughout the summer.
Of course, we'd need a LOT more state legislation to let us enact such changes to the way elections are done.
I'm not sold on IRV
I know they've been testing it out, and my friend Krist Novoselic is a big advocate (whoops! let me pick up that name I accidentally dropped!), but I prefer less complicated solutions. I don't have a problem pushing the primary to mid-September, if we did it my way.
The status quo, of course, will force a form of IRV as-is; in the final days, many supporters of the #4 and #5 candidates will coalesce around candidates doing better in the polls, and who'll have a better chance of "stopping" a candidate they detest. It's what happened for John Street with the anti-Weinberg folks in 1999.
Can we use a different acronym?;-)
I don't know much about IRV but I am sold on Irv the candidate.
"APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain. "
The Wasteland, T.S. Elliot, 1922
I thought about it and I am
I thought about it and I am not for making the voting system more complicated.
Maybe if we didn't have stories about mass amounts of people misreading simple ballots and voting incorrectly. Add in the fact that the best way to make it user friendly is with a computerized voting machine ... since there are outstanding issues with using them as well, I think IRV is a bad idea, just on implementation issues.
An OBJECTIVE Assessment
1) Knox continued to spend over the last few months and moved only two points which means that his earlier boost was a "name recognition" boost.
2) Brady DOUBLED his support over the last few months which means that the race is still fluid.
3) Fattah is still in second without any TV ads over the last few months which means that his support is not purely "name recognition"
Therefore, the race is for undecided voters.
If you know who the undecided voters are, you can figure out what may happen next!
WWGjr
My Assessment
1. You work for Bob Brady. Every time a poll is released or he has a press statement, you are on here by 10AM with 2-3 posts in his favor. This isn't a big deal at all; it seems that a lot of campaign workers on this site post regularly. However, you are the only one who continuously lies about it when questioned.
2. Your "analysis" is based entirely upon hearsay and Brady campaign rhetoric. I know because I recognize a lot of the same verbiage from your posts as I do in literature and on his website. Again, this is ok, just don't pretend otherwise.
3. You purposely criticize Fattah and Knox every day, b/c according to the polls that you read, they are the two direct threats to Brady. You throw in a few nice comments about Nutter and Evans every few sentences, because you don't consider them serious contenders and want to look unbiased. It's kind of like watching Fox News's coverage of the Democratic National Convention (yes, I watched out of curiosity, and it's actually quite a fun drinking game for political-nerds).
4. Fattah is a sleeping giant, and this frightens you. He hasn't spent a cent on television yet, refuses to release his finances, and is still ahead of your guy. Your gut instinct is to cut him down every chance you get.
5. You don't seem to get the fact that the reason why Knox is ahead is not because people don't know enough about the intricacies of predatory lending. It's because they are willing to look past it and elect a shady millionaire with limited and questionable experience in the hopes of destroying the political foundation that your man has worked decades to build.
You make good points
You make good points, although I find it endlessly tiresome that you believe that anyone who doesn't support your candidate must be staff of another. You are correct, I support Bob Brady; you are incorrect, I do not work for Bob Brady.
Is he perfect? No. Do I think he would be an effective mayor? Yes.
At the risk of falling into your point #3, do I think that Nutter and Evans would be good mayors? Probably. Knox or Fattah? No.
As for your point #5, I agree with you that there is a lot of disappointment in the city with the Democratic Party both at the local and national level, for a perception that it hasn't delivered to cities and Philadelphia. That was also why Sam Katz almost won last time in a city that is 80% Democratic.
That's funny, b/c I support
That's funny, b/c I support Dwight Evans and aside his IT Director (sorry Ryan I forget your title), I can't recall reading the post of one single other person on this site who outright supports him. I don't think everyone who doesn't support Dwight is a campaign staffer of someone else, just you. =)
Great assessment!
Disgruntled,
Your bias against Brady supporters leads me to the obvious conclusion that you in fact, are a paid staff member of the Knox campaign. Your rhetoric sounds eerily familiar to the posts Susan makes. Are you one in the same?
Sincerely,
Illogical conclusions.
HA!
I'm really crying on the inside though.
do you need a tissue?
Maybe you are getting too lonely sitting in front of the computer analyzing gman's post vs. Brady lit and website material.
Warmest regards,
the loan shark and horribly done leaflets from south philly that are also blamed on Brady.
Would you?
Thanks! But can you mail it to the following address
Disgruntled
c/o The Coalition to Stop Annoying Brady Supporters from Posting Without Ever Actually Adding Anything Useful to Any Conversation Ever While at the Same Time Criticizing Other Candidates and Plans In Absence of Their Own Policy Platform To Support, Inc. (we're a nonprofit)
125 No-Show Job Pension Road
Philadelphia, PA 19103
well
I've never criticized Nutter or Evans. In fact, if Brady wasn't in this race I would be incredibly torn between the two. Sadly I don't have enough time to sit and write pseudo-intellectual works on policy. Simply put, I'm not a fan of magic rainbow policy wonks, with little to back up their theories or no record of actually ever caring about these issues prior to an election. To make that claim against Brady is flat wrong. This is a man, who along with Evans and Nutter, have spent a lifetime and a half working to make Philadelphia better (by whatever definition that is to them). Sorry if my bias towards them, specifically Brady, makes me bitter and biased towards those that don't have that track record (Knox mostly, Fattah is just a hack). When choosing a mayor I want someone with leadership abilities, not knowledge of 5 irons or emery boards. Personally I think the three I mentioned have what I am looking for, but Brady has excelled the most in terms of leadership and unity (I'm also stoked on the fact that he knows every council member since before they were on council. Knowing them personally will go a long way when it comes to shaping up this city).
Well...
We most likely agree on many of the issues. My distaste for Tom Knox is probably equivalent to yours, and gman's for that matter.
I am not gonna disect Brady as a man or candidate. I respect him as a leader and I think this city owes him a great deal. My problem here is that a few select people (who by no means represent the entire pro-Brady population) have repeatedly brought up stupid accusations, rumors, mud-slinging, and just blatently empty statements on Brady's behalf that I feel have detracted from meaningful conversation. And when that happens, my inner cynic feels the need to say something. This is not my blog and I don't know the guys who run this thing. But I enjoy reading good debate and learning, so when I see these posts that are blatent campaigning attempts poorly masked as commentary, I feel the need to say something.
Gee, what happened to that "civilized YPP discourse"?
I take offense at having my writing equated with that of Disgruntled. I doubt you even mean it, but why let the truth get in the way of a cheap shot?
Hey!
Thanks for the compliment. I'm going to go cry on the inside some more...
While I loathe your employer, I actually think your postings on this site have been informative and professional, truth be told.
More to the point...
... No one who actually knows me would dream of calling me a political hack. In fact, this is the only place in the known universe where my integrity is routinely insulted. It's such a counter-productive rhetorical device.
Or is this like 7th grade, where boys make fun of you when they like you?
Prediction: TV ads are about to get NASTY!
One of the most troubling conclusions that can be drawn from this poll is that the role of television advertising in local elections is far more important than ever before.
My prediction is that, as a result of this poll, the campaigns are going to start making more oppositional commercials (and going on the air even MORE if they can afford it). Brady jumped a lot in this last poll. That's going to make Knox a bit nervous and he will start making negative ads about Brady. Brady will counteract and try to chip away from Knox's lead. This will then lead to a mass audience perception that the real race is between those two candidates. This could lead to an open door for one of the other 3 candidates, but I don't think anybody is going to win this television war without throwing some mud.
On a side note, there is one HUGE flaw in this poll - they only polled registered democrats (not likely voters). Statistically speaking, less than half of these people polled are likely to even turn out to vote on Election Day.
Good point. Has any poll
Good point. Has any poll grabbed the voter lists and only polled those that have a history of voting?
A little statistics lesson, gman...
Tom Knox's lead is NOT outside of the margin of error, as you conclude in point #1 of your original post. As I teach my statistics students, you add and subtract the margin of error from the sample proportion to get the range of values where the true proportion of the population is likely to fall (most polls use a 95% confidence level when calculating the margin of error).
So to calculate the ranges for the candidates:
Knox: 24% +/- 5% = 19% - 29%
Fattah: 17% +/- 5% = 12% - 22%
Brady: 16% +/- 5% = 11% - 21%
Because these ranges overlap, you CANNOT conclude that in the population (all registered Democrats in Philadelphia) there is actually a difference between these three candidates.
A Different Take
I am new to posting to the website, and have to say that I am generally impressed with the conversation that occurs. For a long time -- too long perhaps -- serious political dialogue in Philly has been left to insiders while the rest of the populace exists in "The Matrix" of not being in on how political decisions are made. But the larger point that I want to make, which I probably take too long to do, is that those interested in the "reform" agenda, have to sell that agenda to voters. IMO, most reform candidates do not have the history, credibility or "connectiveness" to voters to beat out candidates who do not have that agenda.
This conversation often takes place in Center City/University City apartments/homes of young professionals lamenting the leadership of the City, without realizing that it is voters in rowhomes in the Northeast, Germantown and Mt. Airy, West Philly, Roxborough, South Philly, North Philly, Olney, the OakLanes, Southwest Philly that elect candidates. Those voters have a different set of concerns. Corruption is not at the top of the list. Crime always is. And that disconnect is what leaves folks surprised that Happy Fernandez could not win, Angel Ortiz lost, Donna Miller continues to represent Chestnut Hill, Rick Mariano was elected election after election, and that Michael Nutter is doing so poorly in every poll.
Philadelphia is notoriously parochial, and if you do not have the right kind of neighborhood credentials, your neighbors will not vote for you. Philly is not the kind of place that voters can be won over solely on ideals without answering the questions "Who are you, Where are you from, and Why do I care?"
That said, it is refreshing to see some folks with a reform agenda think about the inside of the Machine that runs Philly. (Think Judicial Elections. There are very few people who have any clue as to who runs or why they win. The Bar Association regularly posts lists of recommended candidates and non-recommended candidates and ward leaders in "smoke filled" rooms would routinely cut deals to help lawyers who have worked for the Party, lawyers who have volunteered for Wards, lawyers who have worked for unions, lawyers who are friends of those who control votes, win. The public thinks its a fair process. In fact, qualifications are secondary to connections.)
Front runners begin to run away with the race, b/c people don't want to waste their votes. People who are undecided in a race with a lot of attention usually do not end up voting. Mayoral race voters largely vote race and then region. Most white voters will vote for white candidates and most African American voters for African American candidates.
I am going to apply these principles, and some of my own experience to some of the major races, for the point of concluding that those who truly want reform in the City, have to convince a populace focused on other issues to get elected. And against candidates who do remind voters of someone in their community.
Those principles mean that Michael Nutter and Dwight Evans cannot win. Both lack the money, which creates the momentum to break through. Nutter can't win, b/c his base of largely highly educated white voters who live in Center City, Roxborough and Chestnut Hill (broad strokes) are not enough to win. There are simply not enough voters for him to win. Knox and Brady will win a great number of white voters not leaving enough for Nutter. Fattah, Evans, Brady and Knox will each get more black voters. (Nutter may not win the 52nd ward.)
Evans has strong support in West Oak Lane (but cannot get more black votes with Fattah and Brady). He has very little white support.
As the race goes on, financial support will wane and even voters who supported them in early polls will either not vote or support other candidates. (This is at the margins, so it will not mean that they will get no votes, but will lose the momentum you need to win.) Leaving the race b/w Brady, Knox and Fattah.
(It is too early too see if Brady's strong machine support and row-house cred in white and black communities will win, or Knox's money and message will carry the day, or if African American voters will solidify around Fattah to prevent a Knox/Brady win.)
The at-large candidates for Council have similar dynamics. Without the large scale television barrage, they will rely on name recognition and volunteers (read: Democratic Party committeemen and unions). Incumbents have name recognition (Wilson Goode is a great example. He doesn't need to raise a lot of money, will not have large scale union support and will win.) Kenney has money and union support. Blondell is a black candidate with credibility with reform voters and Center City residents. Both will win.
Ramos and Greenlee will have a great struggle. (Juan) Ramos has very strong union support, but with Ben Ramos running as well, even well intended voters could mess that one up. He does not have a strong name like Angel Ortiz and is still known primarily at the Latino candidate on council. Bill Greenlee has no name recognition at all and cannot get David Cohen's base. David Cohen had strong support in many African American neighborhoods among older voters who remember his works over many years. Few voters will know to connect the two.
That leaves 2 seats open potentially. However, very few of the "reform" candidates have any chance of winning any of those seats. They have no name recognition as a huge problem. Most first time candidates at large lose (Blondell, Wilson Goode as examples.)
But there is a larger issue that I want to highlight that is a problem that I see in commentary on this blog by some posters. Most Philadelphians live in row homes and are working class union card carrying folks. Reformers highlight issues important to them, but not as relevant to most voters. Crime, Crime, Crime is the big issue. Education, second.
As a result, most reform (at large) candidates come across as completely disconnected from most voters. There is a reason that Carol Campbell, Donna Miller and Rick Mariano are/were council people. Aside from strong support of the party, they were almost stereotypical of some of the strongest voting areas of their districts. (Carol, West Philly, Donna Miller, Germantown, and Rick Mariano, the lower Northeast.) That combined with a lot of challengers running against them meant that (for Rick and Donna and other similar candidates) they were guaranteed elections. (Similar priniciples apply at large.)
In district races, Verna will trounce Damon Roberts. While the district has a strong African American minority -- could be weak majority -- Verna is perceived as a nice lady, who has lived in South Philly forever, long roots, and has helped many individual voters. In short, people do not dislike her. Philadelphians are notoriously parochial and Damon's short roots in Philly and even shorter roots in the district will be huge hurdles. There will not be enough votes cast for Damon to show any protest vote. But its the same issue, connecting to the voters -- a very different subset than bloggers or residents.
Donna Miller will likely beat Irv (no offense to the blog) and Cindy Bass. Donna will win Germantown and North Philly and Irv Chestnut Hill and Cindy East Mount Airy. None of them will have enough votes to overcome the fact that Donna will crush in Germantown and North Philly and will still get enough votes in Mount Airy to eek out a win. That formula has worked for several elections, and underscores an important fact, that voters that support Donna Miller are generally opposed to Chestnut Hill (read: middle class or wealthy white voters) or Mount Airy (read: middle class or wealthy black voters) controlling the district.
Savage/Quinones race will probably elect Savage, b/c very few white voters will vote for Maria, and it is still a strongly lower Northeast-oriented (although splintered district). But Savage is not the greatest candidate so that's a close one.
I have given a run down on all of the races to make the larger point that is to affect/effect policy, you need to get elected. Ending pay to play and corruption are important issues, but not for most of the City living in the specter of extreme violence and crappy schools. So voters will relate to people who are at least relating to Philly in the way that they relate to Philly. Which will probably mean electing a slate of candidates who talk about those issues or share a common sensibility. Which in turn means that few reform candidates will win.
Just my thoughts, but I thought I would inject some of what I think many insiders/political professionals/community activists may have as a set of beliefs.
I should add -- not that it should matter -- that I do not work for any candidate for any office but have in the past. So these are my thoughts and not an attempt to "spin" the blog as other folks have been accused of. (No candidate would suggest anyone write anything this long.)
A different take
I have to tell you your post was very insightful. The only thing I would differ with you on is "Bill Greenlee". Bill has
widespread Ward Leader support in every area of the City. He will be on about 55 ballots, including all of the big vote getting wards(5,8,9,10,17,21,22,34,39,50,52,56). Bill will be on almost every, if not every, one of these ballots. He is the favorite Ward leader running and has serviced constituents for almost thirty years. He is very well liked on a personal level. He also was head of ADA for years. While he does not have all of David Cohen's supporters, he has a lot of them. Additionally, Bill has the number two ballot position. Never underestimate a combination of Ward leader support and good ballot position.
Finally, I do think Juan will win with a lot of help from Laborers 332.
Lou I generally would have
Lou
I generally would have to agree with your comments. Bill is extremely well liked by folks who know him and has paid his dues. The 15th has a lot of votes and he'll do well there. The reason why I think he may have some trouble -- he could win, its hard to tell -- is that voters will vote for the folks they know and then walk out -- or vote "bullets". As an example, Kenney does very well in S. Philly, and compared to other candidates on the ballot, including incumbents, he will do much better. So in the 39th, it would not be surprising if Kenney doubled Greenlee's vote. He usually walks away with a huge margin from that ward, and most of the S. Philly wards east of Broad. David Cohen barely won in his last election in the primary, even though he did well in the general. The concern that I would have for Ramos and Greenlee is that voters in Wards were they are carried, will vote for the incumbents they know and some/alot will walk out w/o voting the entire ticket.
That is particularly true in African American wards for Greenlee. Take the 50th and the 10th for example. Both wards will carry Derek Green, b/c of his time with Tasco's office. They have to cut someone to do that.
The logic could pan out:
Can't cut Wilson, (wouldn't matter, he'll still win.)
Can't cut Blondell -- even as a payback to her for supporting Fattah over Evans -- she'll still do very will if not win the ward.
Can't cut Kenney -- b/c that's always the deal to get African American judges/candidates supported in S. Philly. He doesn't do well, but still gets votes.
Can't cut Ramos -- he supports Evans and has been supporters of Tasco and Evans. Aside from that 332 is heavily concentrated in those wards.
That leaves Bill. (David Cohen did well b/c he was a ward leader that lived close and older African American voters in those areas remembered fondly his activism. I don't think Bill will get the same pass.)
I am not suggesting he'll get cut in those wards, (popular thinking is that it will be Blondell b/c of the Fattah support, even though that's a tough sell in the largest black ward in the City). But even getting carried in those wards, perception is that he will not have the full support of the Ward Leader, much less the voters. (There are a host of ways to carry someone, and cut them at the same time -- bullet ballots, different morning and afternoon ballots, allowing committeepeople to pass out more than one ballot, sending the signal to the committeepeople to talk to the voters and push a certain candidate and number, etc.) (I could be wrong, don't have any inside or any other information on Tasco or Howard, just extrapolating, not channeling.)
And that's where relying on ward support may not be enough for Bill. Brady's got his own battle, so he can't enforce the party discipline (which would not matter too much even normally b/c lost of ward leaders cut the party ballot.) Also, there are not a lot of judges to barter support for (i.e., I'll carry Bill, if you carry my unknown judicial candidate.) I am not sure who his sponsor is that will make sure ward leaders fight for him (i.e., Blondell had Fattah, Kenney had Fumo, Ramos had Staten, Sr.)
As for Juan, he has been an incumbent for a while, and it would be hard to imagine City Council w/o a Latino member, given the demographics. Also, 332 will go to each trade and ask them to help carry Juan in the Northeast. The incumbent status, African American ward leader support, and union support could be enough.
But No. 2 ballot position is a great help and citywide ward leader support is more than virtually every non-incumbent will have. The lack of ward leader support is why most of the "reform" candidates will not have a comparatively good showing I suspect. The hard thing to predict is the two other candidates with well known names, Sharif Street and Bill Green, and how they will do. On one hand, with twenty some odd candidates running, candidates who have identifiable names, name recognition and a political savvy have a huge advantage. On the other hand, there really is a strong sense that things are not going well, particularly with the high crime rate. That really is not the kind of setting that encourages nostalgia.
To me, its a little early to call the last two slots, b/c of those dynamics. But what I think Bill has going for him -- this is true of Juan as well -- is that they have paid their dues working for working class people for a long time in Philly. They are likeable folks that still sincerely want to help people, and that does count for something. But the next couple of weeks will put that race in focus.
Who are you?
And would you consider managing a judicial candidiate's campaign? I could use some help and you clearly know your stuff.
Write more, please.
"APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain. "
The Wasteland, T.S. Elliot, 1922
truthtold: Don't underestimate the name recognition of Bill
Green. Son of the former mayor, has some heavy hitters in his corner and the name "Green" has been a winner over the years in various citywide offices and judgeships. I think he's got a fair shot for a non-incumbent.
Question, ok, many questions...
Truthtold,
Great comments. It's always good to know how things really work. I have a follow-up question. You mention the sample ballots that get handed out at polling places. What percentage of people would you say depend entirely on these ballots to make their decisions? Are they really that important?
What would a so-called "reform candidate" or any newcomer for that matter have to say to a ward leader, assuming he or she could get meeting with each of the individual ward leaders, to get their support and be placed on that ward's sample ballot.
If we assume that the sample ballot is important - for example, that over 60% of voters depend on them when making their decision for Council - could a self-funded council candidate with the money to throw into an effective television campaign trump the sample ballot and win based on his or her appearances?
Finally, since my work involves a good deal of internet outreach, do you see a point in the near future at which the internet will make a real difference in citywide elections? Or, will the internet be a non-factor basically until today's 20 year-olds are in the high percentage 55+ voting block?
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Dan, what impact do you think the internet has on voting amongst today's 20 year olds?
How a reform council at large candidate can (will) win
1. Start with endorsements by every major progressive organization in the city: NN, Philly for Change, NOW, and others soon to come.
2. Rely on name recognition gained through productive community activism in the the highest voting areas of the city (Center City and Northwest Philadelphia)
3. Spend $100,000 or more on cable television starting 8 weeks out.
3a. Spend five hours a day raising funds and draw on personal relationships with some of the biggest political fundraisers in the city.
4. Secure the support of ward leaders (or ward organizations) in the progressive areas of the city.
5. Secure the support of ward leaders in other areas of the city by spending a lot of time reaching out to them and showing them that a reformer can understand politics and the needs of ward leaders; pointing out that a big TV buy gives him a chance to win; and through some other methods the candidate should save for his memoirs
6. Secure the support of some unions that have thousands of members and put large numbers of people on the street.
7. Use the largest political email list in the city to contact 50,000 voters a few times a week and raise thousands of dollars.
Bill Green
Do you think the Green name still means anything. His father has not been mayor for 25 years. That is a long time
Greenlee
I talk to over half the Ward leaders in the City regularly. The two candidates that they almost all agree on are Greenlee and Kenney. The rest of the ticket is more fluid than I have ever seen. There is support for everyone from the incumbents to Marc Stier and Derek Green and Sharif Street. Many are waiting for the City Committee endorsements and Brady's direction.
With that said Bill Greenlee has it all. Personal relationships, money, ward and Brady support, broad support in both the white and African American communities and some ward leaders, including me, that will cut people who renege on deals made with Greenlee. Politics is not bean bag. As Mayor Street once said "Politics is like nature, the weak are food."
As for the post of how progressives get ward leaders to meet with them there are several avenues. One, come from a base of support. Either labor, community or other base. Marc Stier has NN, SEPTA and affordable housing coalitions. He is someone to talk to (in the interest of full disclosure he is one of my committee people and I have known his in-laws since I was a little kid). Put Derek Green and Andy Toy in that same group. They both have constituencies and a track record. This gets you in the door. After that you have to show 1) You can win. 2) you have enough money to mount a credible campaign, 3) What you can do for the Ward and the community. In politics, as in life, most people do not care about what they can do for you, but what you can do for them.
Rumor has it that Blackwell
Rumor has it that Blackwell views Greenlee as the weak seat and is supporting Shariff Street to get on At Large so as to secure a vote when she makes her bid for Council President.
Why Tom Knox resonates.
Hello!
I would like to respond to your post because it is so carefully considered and it makes so many good points. I agree with the bulk of them - but as with all blog posts, I will mention what I disagree with you. ; )
Specifically, your assertion about the overall sentiment I have seen in polls and at doors.
People everywhere in this city think city hall sucks. Depends on how you ask the question, but the feeling is overwhelming.
They may not say 'reform', but they do say "kick the bastards out. They suck. They're just there to help out their friends. They dont help us. They dont return letters or phone calls to our office. We have no jobs. The cops wont come when we call." I have heard every one of these sentences lately. Etc etc
No matter who they are. Any part of the city. Any race. Any age. Any gender. Any income bracket. 70-80 percent of the city.
This is why Tom Knox is getting that much traction.
You can spend millions on TV ads but if you havent bothered to test your message, then you might as well be speaking Hindi.
And look at the message he picked!!
1. I grew up poor.
2. City hall is broken and corrupt.
3. I helped Ed Rendell make this city better - don't you miss Ed? He made City Hall actually do stuff.
4. Elect me and I will solve your problems - because the people in power ain't doin it.
I would also like to point out that an altered version of a proto reform message also ALMOST ELECTED A RICH WHITE REPUBLICAN DUDE WITH NO STREET CREDIBILITY TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE EIGHT YEARS AGO.
If Philadelphia (one of the poorest, most Democratic, majority black, most pro-labor cities in America) is coming THIS close (even discounting the racial voting factor) to electing rich white Republican dudes every 2 cycles just because they have enough money to make tv about reform, I have to ask, why do people keep talking about it being center city that's pissed off? Katz only got 19,000 and change there in '99.
So who else cast those other 180,000 votes for him?
People on Mars?
Are these Martians still mad at City Hall?
And are they going to come back to earth to vote for Tom Knox on May 15?
Hannah
p.s. And if you're hardworking enough
For city council - you knock on enough doors and you can do it.
Michael Nutter did.
Nutter
Michael was first a Ward leader, then knocked on doors. He had a base of support before he started. He also had chenging demographics going for him. Finally he had the Committeeman in 21-28 and his family helping him (me).
McClure's Doing it Too
Knocking on the doors, that is.
A couple of broad points. 1.
A couple of broad points.
1. Bill Green -- the son/grandson not Bill Greenlee -- doesn't have super name recoginition among current voters. But his candidacy is interesting to see, not b/c he will win, but as a test to see how much name recoginition by itself will get votes.
2. The Democratic Party registration is now majority African American. If you add Latinos, it's pretty clear that turnout is the same. That means that for white candidates to win they will have to get African American/Latino votes. The difficulty for most candidates is that would require getting African American voters to pick them over African American candidates. That's the tough task. Which means that even if you are carried by the Ward Leader, it will be a near impossible sell to say don't vote for Sharif Street, Derek Green, Blondell, Wilson Goode, etc., for whoever the Party caries. It puts ward leaders in the position of telling their committeepeople that they are "cutting" a candidate of color. Many committeepeople of color -- Latinos and African Americans -- are older and remember when the Party was not supportive of their candidacy. Many of the Ward Leaders and elected officials were the first African American to hold the seat -- Nutter from Land, Chaka in both seats, Dwight in his house seat. So they remember the 60s/70s (yes many are that old) when the Party openly opposed committeepeople of color. (Research Hardy Williams for more info.)
3. People are really angry about the direction of the City. But its hard to blame that on Council At Large incumbents. Still, there is a strong anti-incumbent anger that is really all across the City. Unfortunately, its not like City Government once was a well oiled machine that stopped working last year b/c of pay to play and corruption. So Philadelphians have a much higher tolerance for "broken windows".
4. If you are running for judge -- these are just my thoughts -- here's one roadmap for success. 1. Run to lose the first time to get your name out there. 2. Run to win the second.
First time candidate. I would meet your ward leader. Get his support. (It's the question everyone will ask when you try to get other ward leaders support.) You will probably find that a lot easier than you suspect, b/c most ward leaders have never had a judge elected and the other wards already know the drill. Do some volunteer work in the community. Help committeepeople w/ their constituent needs -- wills, minor criminal problems for constituents, etc. Help the party or your ward during election time. (Making sure petitions are filed correctly, i.e., circulated by a registered voter in the district, fully filled out, notarized.) You will build up that goodwill you will need to cash in on when you run.
Attend as many ward meetings as you can the year that you run. Have your ward leader introduce you to other ward leaders and committeepeople. (You can meet most everyone you need in City Hall.) Ask them for your support.
This is the tricky part. Most people do not vote for Judge. So you need to get votes where people actually vote for judge. The problem is many ward leaders and other folks collect money for ballots -- that you may or may not end up on -- fully realizing that it is very difficult to convince people to vote for judicial candidates in many areas.
That means it is important to get voters who actually vote for those candidates. So, win your neighborhood and ward. Convince your neighbors to vote for you. Then convince them to vote only for you. (That's the important part, remember its a race, you need get build up a lead somewhere.) Then focus your resources on areas that have high turnout for judicial races.
South Philly is a great example of such an area -- particularly if you have an Italian American surname. There are a host of judges on the bench from S. Philly and w/ Italian American surnames. That's an oversimplication, but it bears a lot of truth.
5. This is the part I can't understand yet. Fattah seems to have convinced a lot of African Americans that he does not connect with their issues. I hear that all the time. That doesn't make sense to me, but the polls reflect its truth. He will also need a lot more money. Election Day costs $1MM in this city. ($100-$150 per precinct, just for workers.) TV time, will run millions more.
Knox has established himself as a credible candidate. The question is can he reduce Brady's surge in numbers to hold on to his lead.
If Brady can knock Knox off his pedestal and creep into Chaka's African American support -- b/c folks will start to flee Nutter and Evans in marginal numbers, he could win.
6. It's not that it is just Center City that's pissed off -- and they are pissed off -- it's that its important to connect to people where they are at. That is what is so hard about running at large. If you live in the progressive Northwest you still have to convince folks in Rhawnhurst to vote for you. Same is true if you live in E. Mount Airy, you still have to go to 2nd and Snyder or Mayfair for votes. The folks who are best able to do that tend to be incumbents. That's why its so hard to win Citywide and why a lot of folks lose the first time, hence, my pessism.
7. If Knox wins, Democractic City Committee will officially not matter in Citywide races for Mayor. That's a huge change.
That's it.
It's Not Impossible to Get Blacks to Vote for White Reformers
I did it when I ran for State Representative in the 198th district in 2004. I received roughtly 35% of the black vote.
I'm going to do it this year, too.
Blacks are even more frustrated with the state of government than whites for the obvious reason that our politics serves rich, white, and politically connected people better than poor, black, and politically unconnected people.
My stump speech, which begins with the words, "politics is broken in Philadelphia" goes over as well or better in front of mostly black audiences as it does in front of mostly white audiences. In both places, people start nodding there heads yes as soon as I say the words. And, at the end, people come up to me and tell me that I'm right.
And black community activists are among the most frustrated with their political officials. That's why so many of them in certain parts of the city are helping me out.
Fattah's House seat
Fattah was not the first African American to hold that congressional seat. In fact he was the fourth. Robert Nix, Bill Gray, Lucien Blackwell and then Fattah.
Council Race-Inside Politics-Rendell Endorses Bill Green
I am Bill Green. I am running because the next four years will define the next generation in our City. The only thing that grows this City, long term, is jobs--good paying jobs with benefits. There is not a successful City in this country that does not have a growing and thriving middle class. Philadelphia loses its middle class because it fails to provide basic city services well. A City that does not educate the majority of our children, that can't keep its streets safe, that can't keep its streets clean or plowed, can not grow its middle class or attract good paying jobs with benefits. We must get back to basics and do the things we first formed governments to do--and we must do them well. People will not live in the high tax City and suffer poor services--that is why we are now the sixth largest City. I am the only person running for City Council that has risked personal resources to create jobs, that has had to put payroll on his personal credit card to make sure employees got paid on Friday. I know first hand the struggles of a new business and know how to change our City processes, system and tax structure to create jobs. I am a business lawyer working with companies looking for capital to create jobs every day. My focus will be creating jobs--not eliminating trans fats.
I do not feel entitled to the office of City Council, I feel I am among the most qualified. I have been an options and futures trader, entrepreneur and business lawyer. We need a fresh start, a new energy and a new momentum in this City. I want nothing more than to work hard and to do the right thing every day. That is why Governor Rendell endorsed one candidate for City Council out of the 40 candidates (including five incumbents) running. According to the Daily News, the Governor is endorsing only two candidates in the entire state for the May 15th primary--Darnell Jones and me. He is behind me because he believes I am among the most qualified to restore fiscal stability to this City.
How I will win:
1. I agree with Lou Agre that Greenlee is a shoe in if he can get on all of the ward ballots Lou mentioned.
2. I am the only non-incumbent that has significant labor support, The Building Trades Council (inlcuding Local 98, the Sprinkler Fitters), UFCW, Gas Workers, Teamster Locals (stay tuned for more next week). They are supporting me because they want to expand the pie and create jobs--they believe I am qualified. No other progressive candidate has union support. This is 2000 to 3000 bodies on the street on election day.
3. I will be on ward ballots.
4. I will have my own field where needed.
5. Targeted marketing via email, radio and TV. Our email database larger than others described above.
6. My family's history of inclusiveness is not forgotten and I am proud of it. My office will reflect the diversity of this City.
PS
Sharif also has labor support. Labor does not get behind someone because their father was Mayor 25 years ago. You have to earn it.
7. Ballot position. It is a shame chance plays a role but there you have it.
Doesn't Marc Stier have Labor suppport as well?
According to his web site, he has AFSCME and TWU.
Actually . . .
I congratulate Marc on getting 2 union endorsements, I had not heard it and don't know when he posted it. They are two important unions. I am listing unions that have officially endorsed me only. The point of my post is to explain why I am, in my view, the real chance for change on election day--the union endorsements I have recieved are one piece of that puzzle.
Lou: The first two races
Lou:
The first two races that I referred to where Chaka was elected as the first African American were his state house and senate seat. Of course, Nix was the first. Chaka's congressional seat is his third elected office. (I can't remember if he ever held a committeeperson's seat in his race to become Ward leader years ago.)
The issue that is interesting is whether in the twilight of the Democratic Machine the party can elect candidates. The party is anti status quo. Many committee people have City jobs and are paid to make sure that their sponsors or the Democratic Party generally gets elected.
As African Americans and other previously disenfranchised folks enter the Party mainstream -- a lot of that happened in the 70s/80s, not much since -- the question is in an electorate that is now majority folks of color, with a Democratic City Party with a long -- not necessarily recent -- history of not reaching out to all communities, how will the process of getting people elected change.
Wilson Goode Jr. did not need any party support to win. Carol Campbell and Steve Brookens were nominated by the party and lost badly -- at large. (This not quite comparing apples to apples obviously, but they did very poorly at large and Wilson Goode had no official party support that I can remember.)
Tom Knox's media blitz has shown that the Party is now irrelevant in electing Mayor's candidates. (Rendell may have done it in before.)
The reason why the Party's influence is an important question is b/c if there is to be change of the status quo, the Democratic Party cannot have control over elections, b/c it is committed to the status quo. However, many who seek to completely change the system and come from outside of the system, don't have the broad based constituency that legitimizes their running for office.
Short answer, in order to win office as a "reformer" (read: non-ward leaders) you are going to have to be (i) wealthy, (ii) folks of color running against the Party (read: success of Wilson Goode, Chaka Fattah, etc.) b/c they'll have the constituency, or folks that have great name recognition and connections (read, Franny Rizzo, Sharif Street, Bill Green, etc. (iii) or existing elected officials (Bob Brady).
The problem with that is that it sets the bar to high for reformers to win (i.e., Dilworth and Clark would have a hard time today.)