How would someone teach the meaning of hubris?

I think pretty much just like this:

The parents of 14-year-old Danieal Kelly face criminal charges in connection with her death, but have now also filed a lawsuit against their criminal co-defendants, blaming them for the girl's demise.

Danieal, as a recent Philadelphia District Attorney's Office's grand-jury report so gut-wrenchingly detailed, died two years ago of starvation while lying in her own feces, with flies buzzing around her mouth and maggot-infested bedsores ravaging her skeletal back.

Her mother, Andrea Kelly, 39, faces the most serious charges: murder and related offenses. It was in her Parkside house that Danieal's emaciated body was found. Danieal, who suffered from cerebral palsy, was reportedly kept in a dark room because her mother was embarrassed to take her outside.

Anyone know any good lawyer jokes?

Egad

Its hard to be an "ambulance chaser" when your client is the driver of the semi with faulty breaks that plowed the ambulance in the first place. Danieal's brother begged his mother for days to call 911 about Danieal's worsening condition. The lawyer who took this case deserves to be mocked. Its DHS's job to try to stop neglectful parents who would kill their own children from lack of care or supervision but its absurd to kill your kids and then sue DHS for not stopping you from doing it.

-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.

Yes and no. The action is

Yes and no.

The action is likely being brought under Sec. 1983 of the US Code dealing with Civil Rights Violations. There is also a good likelihood they sued the third party provider for common law negligence.

We should realize this, the case is a wrongful death action brought by Daniella's estate. Unfortunately, the two representatives of her estate are her parents. They step into her shoes for the purposes of this action. Regardless of their actions, it is still very likely that Daniella's constitutional rights have been violated by DHS. If that is the case, DHS has civil liability. Without bringing an action, no one will ever collect on that civil liability and DHS, as a governmental agency, walks away without paying a penny.

I preface this by saying I haven't read the complaint.

So in essence

The parents are suing DHS for not taking Danieal away from their homicidally negligent care sooner and likely to profit financially from killing their own child, slowly and in a horrible fashion. If the parents are convicted of criminal charges themselves related to Danieal's death, can they still receive compensation on her behalf? Isn't that like killing your spouse for their life insurance money?

-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.

I know it seems ridiculous,

I know it seems ridiculous, but DHS had a duty to protect Daniella and, if it is found by a jury they didn't and that they were on notice of the neglect, then they violated her constitutional rights and have liability. Daniella's rights mean something and should be asserted by someone. It sucks she isn't alive to assert them herself.

DHS's duty is independent of whatever duties her parents may have had.

That being said, they will make terrible witnesses. I don't know the answer to your last question. I imagine the money recover, if any, will be placed in trust for the remaining children-because it seems like Daniella's parents are going away.

I think you are right

There probably is a case. Or should be.

I overreacted to the fact that the parents were stupidly named and out front in it. Any time I agree with Abraham, I probably need to take a few minutes before I post something.

Gaetano hits the nail on the head

The article that Dan linked now (may be later additions since Dan posted) contains exactly the information that Gaetano asserts - that the parents are, as offensive as it sems, the only ones with legal standing to file a suit on behalf of the estate. They will likely not receive any financial benefit themselves and any settlement or award will go to Danieal's siblings.

Except for the constitutional rights part

I know it seems ridiculous, but DHS had a duty to protect Daniella and, if it is found by a jury they didn't and that they were on notice of the neglect, then they violated her constitutional rights and have liability. Daniella's rights mean something and should be asserted by someone.

Whether or not this should be true, I don't know if it is. The Supreme Court at least in DeShaney v. Winnebago looked at a completely tragic case of abuse and neglect and found that there was no constitutional duty on the part of the state to protect a child under social services care from harm.

This is what happened, from Wikipedia:

In 1980, a divorce court in Wyoming gave custody of Joshua DeShaney, born in 1979, to his father Randy DeShaney, who moved to Winnebago County, Wisconsin. A police report of child abuse and a hospital visit in January, 1983, prompted the county Department of Social Services (DSS) to obtain a court order to keep the boy in the hospital's custody. Three days later, "On the recommendation of a "child protection team," consisting of a pediatrician, a psychologist, a police detective, the county's lawyer, several DSS caseworkers, and various hospital personnel, the juvenile court dismissed the case and returned the boy to the custody of his father." The DSS entered an agreement with the boy's father, and five times throughout 1983, a DSS social worker visited the DeShaney home and recorded suspicion of child abuse and that the father was not complying with the agreement's terms. No action was taken; the DSS also took no action to remove the boy from his father's custody after a hospital reported child abuse suspicions to them in November, 1983. Visits in January and March, 1984, in which the worker was told Joshua was too ill to see her, also resulted in no action. Following the March, 1984, visit, "Randy DeShaney beat 4-year-old Joshua so severely that he fell into a life-threatening coma. Emergency brain surgery revealed a series of hemorrhages caused by traumatic injuries to the head inflicted over a long period of time. Joshua did not die, but he suffered brain damage so severe that he is expected to spend the rest of his life confined to an institution for the profoundly retarded. Randy DeShaney was subsequently tried and convicted of child abuse."

And this is what the Court decided:

The court opinion, by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, held that the Due Process Clause protects against state action only, and as it was Randy DeShaney who abused Joshua, a state actor (the Winnebago County Department of Social Services) was not responsible.

Furthermore, they ruled that the DSS could not be found liable, as a matter of constitutional law, for failure to protect Joshua DeShaney from a private actor. Although there exist conditions in which the state (or a subsidiary agency, like a county department of social services) is obligated to provide protection against private actors, and failure to do so is a violation of 14th Amendment rights, the court reasoned "The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf... it is the State's affirmative act of restraining the individual's freedom to act on his own behalf - through incarceration, institutionalization, or other similar restraint of personal liberty - which is the "deprivation of liberty" triggering the protections of the Due Process Clause, not its failure to act to protect his liberty interests against harms inflicted by other means." Since Joshua DeShaney was not in the custody of the DSS, the DSS was not required to protect him from harm. In reaching this conclusion, the court opinion relied heavily on its precedents in Estelle v. Gamble and Youngberg v. Romeo.

Rehnquist's opinion stated that although the DSS's failure to act may have made it liable for a tort under Wisconsin state law, the 14th Amendment does not transform every tort by a state actor into a violation of Constitutional Rights. Specifically, the act of creating a Department of Social Services to investigate and respond to allegations of child abuse may have meant that Winnebago County assumed a duty to prevent what Randy DeShaney did to Joshua DeShaney, and failure to fulfill that duty may have constituted a tort.

You're not entirely right, Jennifer.

I have first hand experience in these cases. There are several doctrines that a person in social services care can use to gain recovery--obviously they have to prove these elements.

One of them is the "special relationship exception", which generally provides: “special relationship” exception is implicated when the state restrains an individual so as to expose the individual to harm." If Daniel's lawyers can show that there was a "special relationship" between DHS and the City, it will go to a jury. The "special relationship" doctrine is used often by children who are abused in foster care. Whether or not it will extend to Daniel, I do not know--I haven't read the Complaint. But, the behavior, under this exception must "shock the conscience." If a relationship exists, then I do not believe Daniel's lawyers will have a hard time proving that. Most especially because it seems the City did, in fact, know of this abuse. Moreover, the need to prove a policy or custom is made easier by the fact that Ms. Walker is a direct supervisor.

This part of your cite is key:

Although there exist conditions in which the state (or a subsidiary agency, like a county department of social services) is obligated to provide protection against private actors, and failure to do so is a violation of 14th Amendment rights, the court reasoned "The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf...

In that it acknowledges the case you cite is not an absolute rule against liability and, having read that case, I never interpreted it to be an absolute rule against liability (it isn't). While she may not have been in foster care, her severe disability will make this case very interesting. It will likely expand the law or create new law.

Argh I accidentally deleted this

Yeah, not a bar and there is potentially tort liability. But is it your experience that a constitutional right of protection from harm by the state has been recognized by courts? I was under the impression that a lack of duty on the part of the state was generally assumed after DeShaney, other than in exceptional cases like the 'special relationship'/restraint thing.

You're right. Generally,

You're right. Generally, there is a a lack of duty--except in certain circumstances. These exceptions are narrow too.

Having not read the complaint, my assuption is that the allegations are that there a a "special relationship" or state created danger pled because that is necessary. Similarly, I imagine that they plead policy or custom.

This was just one of those

"I will always remember this case I read in law school because it really depressed me" moments, so I was curious.

This situation is

This situation is depressing--not the lawsuit, but the sheer incompetence by the few DHS and private care workers. Sometimes, the abuse is latent and takes a while to come to light. I get that. Sometimes, DHS employees are never even told about any abuse.

This was in your face neglect. I don't get it and it makes me so angry.

just to answer the headline question

I'm not sure that hubris = chutzpah. This felt like an example of the latter to me...

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