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How would someone teach the meaning of hubris?
I think pretty much just like this:
The parents of 14-year-old Danieal Kelly face criminal charges in connection with her death, but have now also filed a lawsuit against their criminal co-defendants, blaming them for the girl's demise.
Danieal, as a recent Philadelphia District Attorney's Office's grand-jury report so gut-wrenchingly detailed, died two years ago of starvation while lying in her own feces, with flies buzzing around her mouth and maggot-infested bedsores ravaging her skeletal back.
Her mother, Andrea Kelly, 39, faces the most serious charges: murder and related offenses. It was in her Parkside house that Danieal's emaciated body was found. Danieal, who suffered from cerebral palsy, was reportedly kept in a dark room because her mother was embarrassed to take her outside.
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Its hard to be an "ambulance chaser" when your client is the driver of the semi with faulty breaks that plowed the ambulance in the first place. Danieal's brother begged his mother for days to call 911 about Danieal's worsening condition. The lawyer who took this case deserves to be mocked. Its DHS's job to try to stop neglectful parents who would kill their own children from lack of care or supervision but its absurd to kill your kids and then sue DHS for not stopping you from doing it.
-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.
Yes and no. The action is
Yes and no.
The action is likely being brought under Sec. 1983 of the US Code dealing with Civil Rights Violations. There is also a good likelihood they sued the third party provider for common law negligence.
We should realize this, the case is a wrongful death action brought by Daniella's estate. Unfortunately, the two representatives of her estate are her parents. They step into her shoes for the purposes of this action. Regardless of their actions, it is still very likely that Daniella's constitutional rights have been violated by DHS. If that is the case, DHS has civil liability. Without bringing an action, no one will ever collect on that civil liability and DHS, as a governmental agency, walks away without paying a penny.
I preface this by saying I haven't read the complaint.
So in essence
The parents are suing DHS for not taking Danieal away from their homicidally negligent care sooner and likely to profit financially from killing their own child, slowly and in a horrible fashion. If the parents are convicted of criminal charges themselves related to Danieal's death, can they still receive compensation on her behalf? Isn't that like killing your spouse for their life insurance money?
-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.
I know it seems ridiculous,
I know it seems ridiculous, but DHS had a duty to protect Daniella and, if it is found by a jury they didn't and that they were on notice of the neglect, then they violated her constitutional rights and have liability. Daniella's rights mean something and should be asserted by someone. It sucks she isn't alive to assert them herself.
DHS's duty is independent of whatever duties her parents may have had.
That being said, they will make terrible witnesses. I don't know the answer to your last question. I imagine the money recover, if any, will be placed in trust for the remaining children-because it seems like Daniella's parents are going away.
I think you are right
There probably is a case. Or should be.
I overreacted to the fact that the parents were stupidly named and out front in it. Any time I agree with Abraham, I probably need to take a few minutes before I post something.
Gaetano hits the nail on the head
The article that Dan linked now (may be later additions since Dan posted) contains exactly the information that Gaetano asserts - that the parents are, as offensive as it sems, the only ones with legal standing to file a suit on behalf of the estate. They will likely not receive any financial benefit themselves and any settlement or award will go to Danieal's siblings.
Except for the constitutional rights part
Whether or not this should be true, I don't know if it is. The Supreme Court at least in DeShaney v. Winnebago looked at a completely tragic case of abuse and neglect and found that there was no constitutional duty on the part of the state to protect a child under social services care from harm.
This is what happened, from Wikipedia:
And this is what the Court decided:
You're not entirely right, Jennifer.
I have first hand experience in these cases. There are several doctrines that a person in social services care can use to gain recovery--obviously they have to prove these elements.
One of them is the "special relationship exception", which generally provides: “special relationship” exception is implicated when the state restrains an individual so as to expose the individual to harm." If Daniel's lawyers can show that there was a "special relationship" between DHS and the City, it will go to a jury. The "special relationship" doctrine is used often by children who are abused in foster care. Whether or not it will extend to Daniel, I do not know--I haven't read the Complaint. But, the behavior, under this exception must "shock the conscience." If a relationship exists, then I do not believe Daniel's lawyers will have a hard time proving that. Most especially because it seems the City did, in fact, know of this abuse. Moreover, the need to prove a policy or custom is made easier by the fact that Ms. Walker is a direct supervisor.
This part of your cite is key:
In that it acknowledges the case you cite is not an absolute rule against liability and, having read that case, I never interpreted it to be an absolute rule against liability (it isn't). While she may not have been in foster care, her severe disability will make this case very interesting. It will likely expand the law or create new law.
Argh I accidentally deleted this
Yeah, not a bar and there is potentially tort liability. But is it your experience that a constitutional right of protection from harm by the state has been recognized by courts? I was under the impression that a lack of duty on the part of the state was generally assumed after DeShaney, other than in exceptional cases like the 'special relationship'/restraint thing.
You're right. Generally,
You're right. Generally, there is a a lack of duty--except in certain circumstances. These exceptions are narrow too.
Having not read the complaint, my assuption is that the allegations are that there a a "special relationship" or state created danger pled because that is necessary. Similarly, I imagine that they plead policy or custom.
This was just one of those
"I will always remember this case I read in law school because it really depressed me" moments, so I was curious.
This situation is
This situation is depressing--not the lawsuit, but the sheer incompetence by the few DHS and private care workers. Sometimes, the abuse is latent and takes a while to come to light. I get that. Sometimes, DHS employees are never even told about any abuse.
This was in your face neglect. I don't get it and it makes me so angry.
Parents removed from suit - will appoint trustee
According to this article.
just to answer the headline question
I'm not sure that hubris = chutzpah. This felt like an example of the latter to me...
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