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John Dougherty's Non-Answer Answer
Through campaign manager Brian Hickey, John Dougherty has responded to my post talking about his political donations through COPE, the IBEW PAC. (The same PAC for which he wants to overturn our campaign finance laws.)
I thought I might as well just respond point by point.
First:
The first rule of commentary is picking a side of an issue, building a case and presenting it in a clear, decisive manner. The first rule of reality is looking at all sides of the issue, making a reasoned decision and presenting it in an honest manner.
These rules came to mind Friday morning after reading a post on the Young Philly Politics Web site entitled, “John Dougherty’s Priorities.” In it, a blogger notes that John “donates to almost every politician in the City.” Then, it questions the IBEW 98 PAC’s financial support several of those candidates, in a transparently shameless attempt to tie John to their policies. It’s a flimsy argument that closes with the line, “it is time for everyone to start asking him some tough questions.”
So, I am unreasoned, dishonest, shameless and have flimsy arguments? Geez, Brian, tell us how you really feel! It is funny, when we were doing that YPP/City Paper project, I never heard those complaints...
But whatever, Brian is a nice enough guy who I guess is doing a job, so let's focus on ol' Johnny Doc himself.
Yes, it is time to start asking some tough questions. But they should be posed to all of the candidates.
As in, why does YPP-darling Anne Dicker take a good chunk of the money she’s been able to raise from Bob Guzzardi, of 12th Street Gym HIV-discrimination-suit infamy, while placing herself atop an LGBT-friendly pedestal?Or “reformer” Larry Farnese’s blatant ties to the insolvent Vince Fumo Inc.? (Read all about it in the Sunday Inquirer.) Should we not ask why Farnese was a card-carrying member of the GOP for much of his adult life? Should we inquire as to which Republicans he supported with his votes and money? (The answer: Yes.) Or should we ask him about those signatures that his campaign manager admitted were um ... so questionable that she never planned to submit them?
I agree questions should be asked of all candidates. In fact, if you do a quick search on this site, we have, for example, asked Larry some of those exact questions before. And, Anne will have to explain the Guzzardi stuff.
But, of course, this wasn’t a post about Anne or Larry, it was about the guy running all the TV commercials, already sending me mail, etc. When you respond to questions with questions for other people…
It is sort of reminiscent of when Doc allegedly told Dave Davies he had the phone records of Jim Kenney, and Doc responded with a letter that didn't deny he said that, but instead said that Doc was a public servant and did a lot of good stuff.
But let’s digress, because John actually invites such queries, considering he’s not the type of person who runs from anything or presents himself as something he isn’t. You have something to ask him? Go right ahead. And here’s part of the answer:
Besides the Young Philly Politics post of Friday, one of John’s opponents recently claimed he’s not a real reformer because his union made donations to Republican candidates. We can’t imagine anything more naïve.
Shorter Hickey: We welcome questions. You morons.
If we are to move forward as a district, commonwealth and country, we must sweep aside the antiquated notion that people of different political stripes can’t work together for the betterment of us all. If John hadn’t reached across the aisle, the City would have lost the potential for thousands of jobs to come to the area because of the much-needed Delaware River dredging project. Cooperation is the key to accomplishing anything in Harrisburg. Whether we agree with somebody’s political leanings or not, a state senator has to not only have to work with Republicans, but also with conservative Democrats from other parts of the state, or else they won’t get anything done.
Let John make this clear: He is a staunch Democrat who is the lone candidate in the race with the experience to forge relationships that will make the First District a better place for us all.
Ha. Ha. Ha. See, you can peddle a line that you need to support Republicans as the head of a Union. I might think that even as the head of a union it is dramatically short-sighted, but there is at least an argument for it. But, as a Democratic Senator? Are you kidding me? Can you imagine if Chaka Fattah or Bob Brady or Bob Casey started shoveling money to GOP Congressmen, to help them keep GOP control of the House or Senate? They would likely be expelled from their party’s caucus.
In fact, in the world of John Dougherty, it appears that the Democrat-Republican breakdown in the House and Senate, nationally and locally, is frozen in time. You want an enduring Progressive majority? Sorry, but Doc disagrees. He thinks to get things done, he must give thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars to incumbents of both parties, including repulsive ones like Santorum.
And, the reason why this is important is that Doc has said he will keep his position at IBEW, which means he will still be controlling their cash, and means he will still be showering 'progressives' like Rick Santorum, John Perzel, Mario Civera and others with lots of cash and labor.
So, again, if he is a staunch Democrat, will he no longer give a dime to help the GOP keep their big majority in the Senate, and try to take back the House from us?
Since people are naming names, how about we also look at the other people who John has given money to? You know, those who were conveniently left out of the online hatchet job.
A basic public-records search indicates that John has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to people YPP has embraced repeatedly and who have led the way in advancing the march of progressive Democratic causes.
Do you like the initiatives Councilman Wilson Goode, Jr. has championed on behalf of the working poor?
Do you support Tony Payton Jr.’s plan to provide college educations to every young person who wants one?
Do you applaud the reform of the city’s DROP program being advocated by Councilman Bill Green?
Do you think Congressman Patrick Murphy’s unique voice is an important one in the Congress?
Are you pleased with Representative Mike O’Brien’s efforts to fight the proposed sites for Philadelphia casinos?
What about Joe Biden’s plan to end our occupation of Iraq?
Ed Rendell or Hillary Clinton’s plan to ensure every Pennsylvanian with health insurance?
John Kerry’s platform of penalizing companies that ship American jobs overseas?
Allyson Schwartz's efforts on behalf of women and children?
Well, John Dougherty has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to these elected officials, too, yet they were conveniently ignored for the purpose of the blog post (Remember the first rule of commentary, right?)
Aw, ‘online hatchet job.’ Cute. But, I sure do appreciate the naming of all these Philadelphia politicians, because it was a wake-up call that I need to be more honest in my posts. It makes me wish I wrote something like this:
The first thing you notice when looking at the reports is that Doc spends a ton of cash. No surprise there, right? He donates to almost every politician in the City.
To their credit, that was a line that could easily be missed. It was buried all the way in the 6th sentence of the post.
I never said Doc didn’t give to Democrats. I said that in his desire to accumulate power, he showers certain people with money who are decidedly anti-progressive. That matters to me now, and it will certainly matter to me if he is an elected Democrat.
Of the three candidates running for the State Senate, and taking into account both lists of contributors, the question stands: Who is best prepared to go to Harrisburg, reach across party lines and deliver the votes we need to take back our power on gun legislation, fully fund our school system and provide much-needed resources to the city of Philadelphia?
Who knows the answer here- maybe Doc, maybe not. (But, just because he is good at accumulating power in Philly doesn't mean he will become a uber-powerful Senator). Anyway, when he props up pro-NRA politicians, does he actually think gun laws are easier to pass? When he donates money to keep the GOP entrenched in Harrisburg, does he really think that it makes it more likely that we will get fully funded Philly schools?
Doc, where have you been the past twenty years? You have been making these donations to Perzel, Civera, Pillegi, Keller, et. al. Why do you need to wait until you get to Harrisburg to take care of all of this? Tell them now, eh?
You bankrolled Bill Keller, with $345,000 in cash the past few cycles, yet you couldn’t get him to stand against the NRA? Geez, maybe if you gave him a mil?
If you’re keeping it real, and not perpetuating tired myths, the answer is simple: John Dougherty.
Note to Brian Hickey and John Dougherty: Use of the the phrase “keeping it real” is restricted to people about two generations below you. Thanks for your cooperation.
Which brings me back to the tough question I have for Philadelphia: When will anybody take the time to look beyond the tired stereotypes and understand who John really is: A man who will be a dedicated public service fighting in Harrisburg every day for the betterment of his constituents.
All BS aside, now we get to the real question, right in that last sentence.
Who are John Dougherty’s constituents, and what will their order of priority be if he wins? Doc has made clear already that he puts the needs of IBEW over the need of the larger union movement, by funding explicitly anti-working class, anti-labor people like Santorum.
Now that he is running for Senate, we need to ask him again: Who comes first? The people of the first district, or the IBEW? If it is us, and he is a 'staunch Democrat,' will he stop shoveling money to anti-worker, anti-LGBT, pro-gun politicians?
There are more questions for him, too. But, let's just start with those. I welcome the response, because I prefer to be called a moron at least twice a week.











i do it every day
what kind of debate do you want to have?
I'm of the opinion that the "Progressive" viewpoint wins. If we talk like adults about the issues, our ideas beat the other side's ideas. We often lose because we tend to favor nuance and nuance doesn't translate into headline grabbing sound bites that get your base all lathered up. We also lose when when we play this brand of gotcha politics.
Dan and Ray are constantly exhorting people to debate the issues. It's my understanding that this whole site was founded to allow Dan and wonky friends to have a place to get together and geek out over Progressive policy. As I understand it, the whole premise of this site is to facilitate nuanced conversation. And in my opinion, that's a pretty noble goal.
I say that because it looks like Dan over simplified this issue to take a cheap shot at Doc. When Dan finally got around to reframing the point he claims to have been making, I think he raised a legitimate question - "Now that he is running for Senate, we need to ask him again: Who comes first? The people of the first district, or the IBEW?"
Obviously, when Doc is acting as the head of IBEW, he is representing interests that do not necessarily align with his own or even the interests that he would advance as a state senator. If as head of IBEW he didn't put the needs of its membership ahead of everything else, I would think he wasn't doing his job. I think Hickey's response to Dan is completely legitimate and an appropriate explanation of why the contributions Dan identified should not be attributed to Doc personally.
And it's definitely disheartening that when Hickey engaged this site with a nuanced response, he gets answered with childish banter. We're not going to win every argument. And when we lose we can't be that annoying kid who throws a fit and knocks over the board game. No one likes to play with that kid.
Reading into it
I don't think Hickey's response was so nuanced, nor was it really engaging this site, even if a staffer cut-and-pasted it here. And again, the argument that you just made -- that the interests of IBEW are not the interests of the 1st district, etc. -- is not the argument advanced in that message.
It wasn't nuanced. And, I
It wasn't nuanced. And, I read Hickey's post to be basically stating that if Doc wants to fulfill his duties as the leader of IBEW, sometimes he has to work with people he'd rather not.
Maybe, due to my personal situation, I read that into what Hickey said. As a lawyer, I need to often make arguments and take positions that I personally would not choose. I imagine the leader of any organization and especially one with as narrow an interest base as IBEW often finds themselves in the same position. Even as a member of various civic organizations, I often have to work with people I personally don't like.
My point is - Dan's post could easily be read as a cheap personal attack because he clearly oversimplifies a complicated issue. And that allows people to easily dismiss what Dan had to say. Dan could have cured this about his post had he said something along the lines of "If Doc wants to take credit for the charitable work IBEW has done, he ought to also take responsibility for all the unsavory stuff it does as well. For example, IBEW has given money to the following politicians who, from our perspective, are all clearly in league with the devil."
I don't get it DeWitt
Yes, I think you did read into it and that you are projecting. You work for a law firm. You may be forced to take a client whose beliefs you don't agree with or lose your job.
But there is no objective proof that giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republicans is the cost of doing business as a union leader. What Hickey does not say is that no other union in the city, even other building trades unions, has given anywhere near (if any) as much money to Rs as Local 98.
The simple fact is that your job and Doc's job are apples and oranges.
With that in mind, your perspective that Dan's post comes across as a personal attack or is in anyway dishonest or disingenuous seems really off to me. If you disagree, do some research and see if I am wrong that Local 98's giving to conservative Republicans is much, much more than any other union in Philadelphia's.
That said, I don't doubt that Dougherty is himself a Democrat. He explained very clearly to us at Liberty City that he gave to Santorum because he needed Santorum on dredging, and that Santorum was gonna lose anyway [a debatable point based on the timing of my conversations with Doc in 2006 and with the date of IBEW contributions]. And I am sure he'd offer a similar explanation for the other anti-gay electeds he has supported like Stack.
However, voters in the 1st will have to make a choice as to whether or not they want a Senator who has demonstrated that kind of non-partisanship on behalf of the issues s/he cares about at the expense of issues constituents may care about (like being sure that we oust radical right-wing Republicans)
The simple fact is that your
Amazing how you know so much about my job.
The first time I read Dan's post, I thought it was great. I even sent him an email telling him so. Then I read it again, saw the Hickey post and thought - Dan is actually being a little unfair. Isn't he doing the same thing that you dudes always complain about when trolls come on here and post some one-sided hit piece?
Dan didn't say that either.
In any event, this whole criticism of Dougherty presents a pretty interesting (and admittedly simplified) contrast to the "Progressive" candidate, Anne Dicker. On one side, we've got the Progressives throwing bombs at Dougherty saying he's too willing to cross party-lines to work with others on behalf of a relatively small and fairly focused constituency. On the other side, we've got Dicker who is struggling to enlarge her support past her relatively small and fairly focused constituency largely because people perceive her to be lacking the ability to work well with others.
You just can't win em all...
That's what I have learned from bloggin' with DeWitt.
A couple of points
1. Working with members of different parties when you are a representative of a private interest is one thing. In that capacity Dougherty the union business manager is best understood as a completely amoral enterprise. He just don't care. If its good for Local 98 - even if its bad for citizens as a whole - he should do it. But running for public office is something else. As the most powerful State Senate office in the state, Doc needs to show examples of doing whats right for Philadelphia - even if it meant taking a hit in terms of his own consolidation of power. Stepping down from his position at the IBEW is the only appropriate course of action to show that he will serve everyone in his district and the man flatly refuses.
2. Santorum was not just a crazy anti-abortion, anti-feminist, anti-gay rights social conservative. He also was the darling of Walmart and anti-union corporations.
See here,
here or here. So even if you buy that it was OK to back Santorum's awful hateful social agenda - backing Santorum was debatably the wrong move to make if you believe in the larger cause of organized labor and worker's rights anyway - even if maybe it didn't seem so to him at the time. Do I really have to remind everyone how Walmart singlehandedly has done done more to set back the plight of American working people than any other corporation in recent American history? I would argue that by supporting Santorum, Dougherty showed himself in that one instance to be a lousy labor leader by putting poorly thought out local empire building over the national damage Santorum as proxy for Walmart could do to worker's rights nation wide.
So no its not like a lawyer representing an unsavory client well in court, its more like engaging in tactics that intentionally undermine the integritiy of the court system as a whole to win a single case and get that big fat retainer - regardless of the damage it does to the institution of justice as a whole.
-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.
Local 98 COPE's lawsuits against campaign finance regulation
One should read Dan's post with the context that John Dougherty has now twice sued to overturn Philadelphia's campaign finance regulation and enforcement. Specifically, to avoid disclosing what is being spent and where. In the current suit, his and George Bochetto's argument aims to overturn not just city regulation, but state as well. And as Dan noted before, possibly a lot more:
IBEW can't be aligned with anything but itself, IOW: Duh!
I can't really see how someone who hasn't disengaged from the unions for a while to build grassroots support in his own district could be construed as anything but a shill for that interest.
It's like Gloria Steinhem running for Mayor of Philadelphia. What do you think her top issues would be? I don't think the gang problem at 56th and Master would even pop up on her radar.
District 1 is a huge and diverse part of Philadelphia that includes some of its wealthiest citizens as well as some of its poorest. It has a lot of needs.
But nowhere in District 1 is a hotbed of Local 98 members who actually live in it. The huge lot of them left Philadelphia each passing year, either because they couldn't afford it anymore, they got new mortgages and found a new life where they can own large vehicles and have an acre lot size and better public schools, etc. And Doc is their leader.
Do any of us actually believe that he'll disengage from IBEW if we send him to Harrisburg to represent us? Will he even remember us when he's gone off to HBG?
I'd bet my entire salary and sell my dearly departed grandmother down the river if that actually came to pass.
So where does IBEW interests end and the public's begin?
This is the problem skipped over again and again. IBEW support of Santorum and pro-discrimination Stack and pro-life Mike Fitzpatrick in Bucks County the argument goes, is independent of John Dougherty the candidate. It's just business - the union can't be expected to stand its ground on even the most basic social values on discrimination, equality, injustice in who it supports - it's mission is purely economic. But Dougherty the candidate has said he refuses to step down as Business Manager for the union when he serves as State Senator.
That like Dick Cheney still acting as CEO for Haliburton while hatching the Iraq war. Dougherty can't have it both ways.
-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.
Johnny Doc doesn't put the Unions first all the time
Here's a simple example:
Most of the Local 98 members do not live in Philadelphia. FACT. [The ones that do remain primarily live in the Northeast, which is in DISTRICT 3... not District 1]
If you look around you, electrical contractors hail from Bucks, DelCo, S. Jersey and Delaware. FACT.
Johnny Doc sits on the board of DRPA. FACT.
DRPA wanted to help (at Ed Rendell's convincing) to build a soccer stadium. FACT.
Johnny Doc and the rest of the board must have approved the measure, because DRPA money is going towards the construction. FACT.
The stadium will obviously bring union work. FACT
Now here's where it gets funny:
DRPA has been bonding out left and right, leaving a huge liability on the balance sheet because it spends tons of money on welfare projects that have nothing to do with tunnels, ports or bridges. FACT.
DRPA tells the public just within days of announcing the Chester stadium that it needs to find money to pay to repair the Walt Whitman. FACT.
In the same announcement, DRPA says the bridge tolls will be going up--almost double. FACT.
All the Jersey Local 98 union members can now soon enjoy paying $5 or higher bridge tolls in the near future so they can get to work on those jobs that Johnny got for them. FACT.
Isn't life grand?
Why yes I do
I do think that Patrick Murphy's unique voice is an important one in Congress. I also recall that IBEW 98 gave more money to Republican freshman Mike Fitzpatrick than to Murphy, and that it also endorsed Fitzpatrick.
But I can forgive Brian Hickey for forgetting all that. After all, he's clearly just picking a side of an issue, building a case and presenting it in a clear, decisive manner.
Snap!
--Tim (aka Short Schrift)