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YPP/City Paper team-up: Is There a Doctor in the House? How the City of Philadelphia Could Do More to Provide Health Care Access
This post is a part of the YPP-City Paper 2007 Election Coverage partnership. The ideas generated in response to this post will appear in a column in next Thursday's City Paper. This is your chance to directly help shape the terms of the debate in this spring's election. To learn more about the partnership, click here.
One week ago, Governor Rendell announced a plan to "Cover All Pennsylvanians" and lower overall healthcare costs with the "Prescription for Pennsylvania."
This week, President Bush said he wanted to raise taxes on expensive health benefits so he could make insurance affordable to the middle-income uninsured via a tax break.
And the organization I work for, the Philadelphia Unemployment Project (PUP), has been leading a campaign to increase staffing and expand hours at Philadelphia’s eight comprehensive health centers – a campaign that’s been picked up by the Daily News.
Healthcare is going to be a big deal in 2007
PUP has been around long enough to remember why we have those eight health centers: back in 1977, when it closed Philadelphia General Hospital, the city committed to provide low-cost and free primary and pharmaceutical care to the city's poor and uninsured.
But a lot has changed in 30 years, and the commitment the city made then is not enough today. Health benefits are the fastest-growing expense faced by employers. Many, with an eye toward their bottom line, are cutting or eliminating employee coverage. As a result, fewer and fewer Philadelphians have access to quality and affordable healthcare.
I'm 29 years old, and on my fifth job. When I moved here to start with ACORN, I had to wait several months before my health benefits even kicked in. I'd never been without coverage. It felt weird. It isn't really weird, though: 80% of the uninsured are employed (and 40% of the uninsured are below the age of 34).
The Governor's healthcare plan and maybe even the new Democratic Congress will bring some relief, but it's going to be a year before they can deliver anything concrete. That’s a long time to wait for the members of my organization who need cancer screenings, blood-pressure medication and insulin.
There is quite a lot that local leaders can do to improve access to healthcare. We already have considerable resources at our disposal: three major medical schools, a vast array of private health centers, and major players in the pharmaceutical and insurance industries are right here in Philadelphia. We have an economic incentive, too: If our city wants to compete for jobs and new residents, anything it can do to lower healthcare costs will give it a competitive edge over every other city in the country.
What we need is leaders who can think creatively about this serious problem. So: What can candidates for Mayor and City Council do to lower insurance costs, increase access to healthcare and decrease the risks that create a need for care?
Share your comments below. The best ideas and the most popular themes will find themselves in the YPP/City Paper column next week. Through the blog and the paper, your ideas can actually shape the upcoming election and maybe the future of our city.
The clock is ticking here, so get cracking!
[Editor's note: We reserve the right to delete comments that do not directly address the topic above. Brady is not looking for folks to stump for their candidate of choice. There are plenty of other opportunities to do that on YPP. Instead, we want to see creative, researched, innovative and direct answers to Brady's question- Dan and Ray.]











Outreach at the Health Centers
I once worked at a job where I ended up having to talk to some doctor's at the City Health Centers. I consider myself a pretty progressive guy. And, I have friends who don't have health insurance. But, you know what? I still only have a vague idea of what purpose the City Health Centers serve, what services they provide, etc. I really don't think the City (maybe by design?) does a very good job of publicizing them, at all.
With better outreach, the City could dramatically expand the number of uninsured people who would utilize them. As Brady suggested in his op-ed, any strategy should include the Health Centers having weekend and evening hours, for the huge numbers of uninsured who work during the week.
The Fattah Health Care policy
The full Fattah Health Care policy is available online here. The press release summary is available
here.
The insurance problem is addressed through pooled purchasing power. Fattah proposes a regular competitive bidding process to determine a single health insurance provider with specific insurance quality benchmarks built into the contract. He also proposes lowering the City's overall health care costs by coordinating free annual checkups to uninsured Philadelphians. This will cut down on emergency room visits by the uninsured.
Student Healthcae
Like many other college students, I will lose my healthcare coverage when I graduate. Actually, 71% of people aged 18-24 do not have healthcare. There are literally thousands of young people in Philadelphia who need insurance. The City of Philadelphia could do a lot more to provide this demographic with coverage.
Making sure that young people have healthcare is actually a great way to grow Philadelphia. Recent graduates could be attracted to the city by the presence of a robust effort to provide everyone with coverage. The next mayor should be sure to address this issue when addressing healthcare.
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Ben, I think the population
Ben, I think the population you point to is a good one and good reason to provide universal health insurance.
But, don't you think this is something that needs to be taken care of on a state-wide level. Honestly, I doubt Philadelphia has the money to provide health insurance to graduating seniors. And, if the jobs are not there to employ these people, what exactly would keep them here--free health care. Plus, it seems we already have so many competing interests, the cost of insuring people would take away from other resources.
And then there is, who qualifies. The students who actually went to school in Philadelphia for 4 years--who paid into the local economy. Or, those who went to school in Pennsylvania. What about people coming in who work in NJ, but live in Philly for the health care. What is the standard we are willing to use to ensure the right people get this benefit.
I think you meant Pennsylvania, not Philadelphia.
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Philadelphia vs. Pennsylvania
I don't want to get into a huge discussion, but there are plenty of things that Philadelphia could do. For example, there could be an piece of legislation that required low-wage employers provide healthcare coverage or pay higher taxes. The tax revenue could be used to fund various programs aimed at the youth demographic.
Can the city provide universal healthcare? Of course not. But there are things that we can do on the local level to make the situation better.
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More proof of Ben Waxing It's genius
In a city where 80% of the population has nothing more than an associates degree (read: little to no skills to support high wages), Ben Waxman would like to raise taxes on employers who employ low wage labor and do not provide health coverage. What's more, he'd like to take that money and direct it towards snuffy twenty-somethings like me who make a choice to invest financial resources in things other than health insurance. Genius Ben, genius.
What are your solutions
Fran,
What are your solutions? If you have none, or you don't think this is something we should be worried about and think about how to creatively deal with, I would suggest another forum might be the one for you.
So, Fran, what do you think the City can do, and do in a way that will make people healthier, get them more access, and do so without hurting businesses?
My suggestion is that the
My suggestion is that the 99% of people talking about this issue in the Commonwealth who only have a peripheral understanding of how it works deflate their heads and learn more about it.
...learn more about why/how the healthcare industry seemingly defies the laws of competition that would otherwise render companies in the auto, steel, or software industry dead and forgotten.
...learn more about why costs are climbing, why services are restricted, why a lot of us receive poor care, and why discrepancies in cost and quality among providers or locations around the country are so wide.
...learn more about why providers and supporters seem to want to transfer costs onto one another and hoard information as opposed to focus fundamentally on the best ways to create value.
Everyone wants to look to the government, and how in Ben's case they can shift the burden of a fractured industry onto employers that have nothing to do with that problem. Starbucks, who pays more for healthcare than it does for coffee, is able to provide such luxurious benefits because you pay whatever you do for their products. This is not the case in a majority of industries.
My solution? Read. If you want to do more, deliver good books and articles on the subject to your representatives in Congress (in fact, Congressmen Fattah and Brady should be well-versed on and leading the way on these issues - shameful that they do not know more than they do).
You can think as creatively as you want about what the city and state can do around the margins, but the true solutions are going to come from the industry out. When the industry as a whole - and the national debate around it - becomes focused on value creation inside, as opposed to cost shifting between employers, the government, and individuals, only then will fundamental improvement be found.
Sure, the city can do more to promote its services to the uninsured through free clinics and such, and certainly provide support for screenings, vaccines, physicals, and other check-ups, but do these really solve the problem?
raideradam seems to get it.
Perhaps the best solution is for all of us to learn about what really ails the industry, and city council can enact the kind of mandates that the federal government should be enacting (e.g. around technology, best practice sharing) for health service providers and insurers who want to do business in the city of Philadelphia.
Be nice - this forum is part of learning
"deflate their heads and learn about it."
Step off. Really.
Look, the point of this column idea and this forum is to try to draw out experts with creative ideas on this issue. A bunch of us spent the day today, in fact, emailing all of our friends in the healthcare field and begging them to come on here and offer creative solutions. We're trying to get this YPP/City Paper partnership to draw out some young experts (either new readers or all the lurkers out there that never comment).
In other words... the point is to get some of you out there to do the reading (so why don't you do some instead of lecture) and also to solicit ideas from those who have. It looks like we've had some success, too.
I'm not sure why you're reading here if all you want to do is lecture us about how we don't know anything, but I do think your tone is going to discourage some of the young experts who are reading this to come forward with their ideas...
(...or, what the heck, defense of the status quo, for that matter).
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A city should only be so involved in insurance issues ...
Philadelphia would need to be VERY careful on how it goes about trying to insure people. The difference between legislation at the state and federal level verses the municipal level is, it is relatively easy for business to up and relocate in a city 5 miles away where it is cheaper to run a business.
For starters, the idea of "... there could be an piece of legislation that required low-wage employers provide healthcare coverage or pay higher taxes." is contradictory to what Philly needs to accomplish. We need to make the city MORE enticing to employers. The threat of more taxes or more stringent working benefits will threaten to decrease employment. People unemployed is even worse than underinsured.
Next, why waste city resources to deal with insurance issues when PA and the federal government are supposed to be addressing it? It is much better to have something paid for by the state and federal government that to continue to raid the Philadelphia citizenry.
In addition, trying to get more employers into the city helps solve a lot of the "I have no insurance because I graduated college" problem by actually having employment with benefits. Also, there is a completely different set of issues between uninsured at the poverty level and uninsured at the "I have a college degree" level. It seems to trivialize the more serious issue related to poverty.
I am all for Philadelphia trying to do what it can to make health insurance more efficient. I do not feel it is in the best interest of the City to develop some sort of socialistic health insurance plan that will be near impossible to administer and not be drained from people that do not pay into the Philadelphia revenue stream.
Let's stay on topic...
The question Brady posed: what concrete things can city government do?
We've seen the Fattah plan, I am sure the other mayorals will be developing theirs.
Is that enough?
What are creative solutions?
I'll throw out a few ideas:
-can the city allow small business owners (especially consultants and sole-propeitors) or, to follow-up on ben's suggestion, students, to join a city employee health group plan?
-do the city's current insurance plans cover contraceptives? sex reassignment surgery? other procedures/medications that would make more people healthy? if not, can they?
-what can we do to better fund syringe exchange?
-most hopitals don't pay property taxes because they are non-profits. in pittsburgh, the city threatened to tax them. instead of taxing them, could we change the charter to force them to barter with the city using services? Independence Blue Cross is a non-profit too. Could we get them to offer more insurance?
It is on topic.
Some proposed a solution and I disagreed with it. It is how conversation and discussions work.
Is this thread only supposed to be a list of ideas or actually a conversation?
Also, please clarify "city" insurance. Are you/we speaking about the insurance benefits of city employees or the coverage given to all city residents? Again, those are two completely different topics.
As for ideas, also while on topic, I mentioned the best thing the city could do is to increase job opportunities. The more people work, the more opportunities for health benefits and affording their insurance/medical bills.
And no, I do not think it is a good idea to have students join a city employee (assuming you mean people employed by the City of Philadelphia) insurance program. The majority of people want LESS taxes. It's all nice talking grandiose schemes, but everyone forgets the money has to come from somewhere.
An actual conversation
OK, no one is ever going to see this comment, but I do want to say that I think we want these threads to be a conversation. I think we also want those who rip down to also put in ideas,
even if that idea is a cogent argument for why the status quo (at least so far as the city government is concerned) is right.
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I saw it. ;)
I saw it. ;)
Dear Ray: Thanks for
Dear Ray:
Thanks for bringing up the problem of the health insurance exclusions faced by transgender Philadelphians. Before discussing that issue I wanted to point out that though I tend to favor single payer solutions, the most likely option in the immediate future entails combining existing public coverage with private coverage as many states (lead by Massachusetts) are examining. Philadelphia has one of – if not the expert in this area living and working in town – Marty Sellers – who helped MA put together their plan & is working with several other states on similar plans:
http://www.insuranceheadlines.com/Insurance-News/Massachusetts/1625.html
Like Brady – I spent a significant period of time without health insurance (a decade) – though as a middle-aged person. I also had a serious illness then leaving me unable to work for several months and I could not afford to get treatment. For several years I was unable to get more than part time temp work despite a fairly well respected professional history. In Philadelphia – over 60% of transgender woman are unemployed as are over 30% of transgender men (Kenagy 2005 – in Health and Social Work). But when we do gain employment, we are often faced with the exclusion on transgender related health care written into so many policies – including the City Health and Disability Plans.
It seems wrong as an issue of basic fairness for a group that the City has extended coverage to under the fair practices ordinance is specifically excluded from coverage in City health insurance contracts; but it is also poor public health policy. 183 of the Fortune 500 have recently included transgender health benefits (including surgical benefits) in their plans – recognizing that both the business case and medical best practices support this coverage (HRC Worknet – checked yesterday).
The estimated cost for this coverage is 11 cents a policy (Horton/J P Morgan Chase/Transgender at Work 2004); this estimate does not include what I think will be significant savings to be gained from people receiving appropriate and timely care. As a comparison – the domestic partners coverage was estimated to cost the City $1.00 per policy (if memory serves). This coverage is recommended in the Standards of Care for transsexual persons (World Professional Health Association for Transgender Health) and has been confirmed as effective by study after study (Friedemann Pfäfflin, Astrid Junge, Thirty Years of International Follow-Up Studies – I think about 200 studies reviewed here).
This exclusion effects health in unintended ways. Many transgender people have health needs related to both sexes as their bodies – especially pre-surgery – include aspects of both sexes. These exclusions are often interpreted by insurers in ways that leave us only able to obtain coverage for care related to one sex due to the inherent binary nature of the way insurers conceptualize people. There is no transgender box to check on their forms. A person who needs both prostate health and breast health care may have to forgo mammograms to receive the other coverage (indeed – in one high profile case a transgender woman was refused coverage for breast cancer as the insurer interpreted it as being transgender related). The results of this will obviously lead to increased costs when serious illness occurs and has lead to many people simply not using their coverage for fear that disclosing their transgender status will come back to haunt them in the future after they have completed transitioning. It also means that people need to remain on very high doses of hormones for their entire lives - these are reduced significantly after surgery. Recent studies point to the danger of high dose hormone treatment and additional costs that will occur seem obvious.
So – this would likely be revenue neutral, increase the health and well being of Philadelphians and adhere to the spirit of equality that 15 of 17 Council Members voted for and the Mayor signed into law. Even an IRS hearing ruled this coverage as being medically necessary. Though Bush politicos quickly stepped in to quash that. It seems fitting that as we approach the 5 year anniversary this May of Philadelphia recognizing the rights of its transgender citizens that this exclusion be eliminated.
Update on Health Care Exclusion
It has just been reported that the insurance companies for the City of San Francisco's employee plan have dropped the smallsurcharge they previously required when SF removed their exclusions on health insuarance for transgender city employees. I think they have about 10 years experience with this now.
Looks like no additional expenditures if our people can use this data - it's pretty much all gravey for both the City & the employees.
Strategic Partnerships and Prevention
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
There are a few things about healthcare I do know:
(1) It is illegal to turn away an emergency. These people must be treated. It is federal law.
(2) Hospitals have historically been reimbursed for treating uninsured and emergency patients by government agencies. I think these reimbursements have drastically declined in the last 10 years or so.
Thus, as a matter of law, hospitals and doctors must treat emergencies. But, they often take a loss as a matter of doing so. It is time for health care providers, state and local social service agencies and other organizations to realize that while the treatment of emergencies are expensive--preventative medicine, including pre-natal care, screenings, routine doctor visits and even the prescribing of anti-biotics for a sinus infection is likely a cheaper alternative.
Based on the above, our local hospitals, agencies and insurance companies must come together and provide high quality medical services to treat the uninsured--preventatively, so that the need for more drastic, emergency medicine is limited.
I see this being started with a commitment from the medical community to provide pro bono services like checkups and simple appointments to uninsured patients. In exchange for particpating, however, we need to discern some benefit for medical groups or hospitals. That is a discussion that needs to be had. But, at this time only Doctors and Nurse Practioners can provide medical services. We have to see what they want and need and what they are willing to do.
But, a strategic partnership on preventative medicine may assist us in moving towards universal health care and allow people who desperately need to see a doctor, but do not have a traditional "emergency" to do so. Then, emergeny rooms are for just that--not patient visits.
It is good in theory ...
but I do not see it as really solving anything. How many people do you know, with insurance, that do checkups? Sure, things like OBGYN for women are pretty common, but yearly physicals? A case of the sniffles?
As a rule, people tend to only go to the doctor when there is a problem, whether they have insurance or not.
Well, in lieu of the City
Well, in lieu of the City providing health insurance, which you have already disagreed with, what would you suggest?
Yearly physicals, routine checkups and/or a case of the flu, people need a doctor. Sometimes symptoms of one aliment mimic another. Having the option available and asking the medical community to do its part to prevent illness is a pretty good way to go about reaching those people who may have the sniffles, or something a bit worse, from clogging up an ER for hours and to get they to have real, continuing treatment.
Just because we provide options, people do not have to take them. But to reject out of hand without a suggestion of your own is quite simple.
The issue is stated above--please tell us your idea.
By the way, I have a yearly physical and check-ups. Due to those checkups I was able to treat an ear issue that has made me lose some hearing in my left ear before it became any worse. It also caught lung cancer at the stage A in a close family member--a simple chest x-ray helped with that. Like I said, offer preventative medicine, people will come.
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I did offer suggestions.
I honestly believe more employment solves a lot of the issues. Getting more jobs in the city will inherently help the underinsured issues.
The problem is, the majority of health insurance issues are national issues that a municipality can not readily solve.
As for flues and the medically annoying, but not ER worthy ailments, the City does have free clinics out and about that people can go to. the only problem I had trying to use one (for my dad) is that they closed up at noon. (So no, not saying I am authority on them.)
From the variety of thoughts on here and other places, it sounds like people want a universal health care plan implemented by the City of Philadelphia. It can't happen.
I honestly, while being 100% sincere, believe that energies will be much better served being spent on our state legislators on the PA plan than distracting the mayoral candidates from the real issues they can help with (schools, crime, taxes, employment, etc.)
And if you are still clamoring for an idea form me. Tort reform. Lock down on the lawyers and it could save millions.
First, I agree--local
First, I agree--local "universal" health insurance is a bad idea, impractical and too expensive. If we are going to have it, it needs to be on at least the state level to be feasible. People must understand, taxing businesses more in Philadelphia will only help them make the decision to leave.
Second, I'm not just talking about the sniffles, but some more comprehensive care--check ups, physicals, x-rays, etc. Things that can diagnose ailments and sickness before the need and cost for drastic or more drastic measures.
Third, yes, we need to keep the focus on the state legislature--not mayoral hopefuls. But, the next mayor needs to work wiht local institutions on many issues--and hospitals can help in their own special way.
Last, I do not think tort reform will produce the results you think. What makes people think insurance companies will lower their premiums the moment a cap is placed on damages, etc. I have not seen any strong evidence either way. If you can point me to some, go ahead, I'd love to check it out.
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There Proposals for Better Health Care
Health care should be a basic right of all. And it should be provided in a national, single payer program.
Until we get there, the city could do more to provide people with health insurance or health care. And, if we can help businesses get health care at lower prices, than we would also encourage more of them to move to Philadelphia.
Here are three ideas that I have been working on and will post to my new campaign website, www.stier2007.com soon:
1. Create a large, city wide health insurance pool. The secret to lowering health insurance costs is to create a large block of people to be insured and then using that block to negotiate for lower priced insurance with, for example, Blue Cross. This would be attractive to Blue Cross because a large insurance pool has lower administrative costs and there would be no need for Blue Cross to advertise to attract these people. The city could negotiate with its unions, which are constantly faced with rising health care costs, to join together to create such a pool. (I should add that this will be tricky because the city’s workers have good health insurance now and shouldn’t be forced to take insurance that is not as good.) And then the school system and our colleges and universities could be invited to join. And then businesses in the city could join that pool, reducing their health care costs dramatically. The city would have to require that the insurance plans Blue Cross provides meet certain standards. (This proposal, I should add, is basically the same as a plank in Chaka Fattah’s platform. We are talking to the same expert in the field.)
2. Provide support for medical research in the city that also provides health care for people without insurance. A great deal of medical research requires large numbers of people to be included in a study. In some cases, this is necessary because researchers are trying to study diseases that are rare or that many not be noticed by people for many years, such as some congenital heart defects. In other cases, researchers are trying to study differences between people. For example, they might be trying to understand why some people respond to certain medicines in one way rather than another. It is possible to combine different research studies—indeed doing so would help reduce the costs of evaluating tens of thousands of people.
So my suggestion is that the city work with our local medical institutions to help coordinate this broad based research. The city should also provide some seed funding for research proposals, which is likely to matched many times over by government and private foundations. And, what the city should ask in return is, first, that free medical examinations be a routine part of the research protocols; and second, that the health centers receive funding from the research projects, both to carry out the research and to do follow up care for people who are found to be suffering from one disease or another.
By making Philadelphia a center of this kind of research we will bring more grant money to our impressive medical centers, thereby creating more jobs; provide better, and preventive, health care to those who are lacking it today; and reduce those awful waiting times at the health centers.
3. Integrate inpatient and outpatient mental health care with payment for psychiatric medicines. Community Behavioral Health is, in many respects, a very good system. But it has one glaring problem: the drugs mental health patients need are paid for out of one pot of money while inpatient mental health care is paid for out of a second pot. This is a serious problem.
Any psychiatrist will tell you that keeping psychiatric patients out of the hospital is always a good thing. When patients become so sick they need to be hospitalized, it takes a long time for them to recover to the point where they can live on their own or in supervised non-hospital settings. Once a psychiatric patient is hospitalized, he or she is more likely to be hospitalized again. And hospitalization is very expensive.
With new psychiatric medicines, hospitalization rates can be dramatically reduced. And, while those new psychiatric medicines are expensive, they are far cheaper than hospitalization. However the companies that manage the payment for psychiatric medicines have an incentive to push psychiatrists to use older, cheaper, and demonstrably less effective medicines. And, unless psychiatrists want to spend half their day advocating for their patients—and some do—the result is that we have more hospitalizations, sicker people, and our overall costs for caring for patients with severe and persistent mental illness is far higher than it needs to be.
The solution is to merge the two pots of money. They do that in other cities, such as Charlotte, NC, where all psychiatric care comes out of one pot of money and psychiatrists are evaluated in part on their ability to help their patients stay out of the hospital.
Thanks for these ideas ...
it is nice to see proposed solutions based on changing policy as opposed to ideas that scream "more taxes".
Don't jump to conclusions - offer solutions from your side!
raideradam - I didn't mind your post before so much as Ray because I thought it would help spur discussion,
but please don't jump to conclusions about the folks on this site. We are all open to creative solutions that don't necessarily cost money.
Look at Kati's post below... did you realize that there were ways for hospitals to possibly save money by not wasting so much on gadgetry?
I'll go one step further - health officials I've spoken to in the city have said we could achieve a lot more care and better care (for the insured and uninsured) if all the hospitals would just TALK to each other. There's no good communication now, from what I hear, which leads to a lot of waste.
The next mayor could facilitate that.
Council could force it.
These are worthy ideas. People more informed than I might be able to take the seed in this comment and refine it into even better policy.
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Well, Katti's post was after
Well, Katti's post was after mine. ;)
What I was trying to do was bring awareness to the discussion that, even though there are a bunch of "good" and "idealistic" and "noble" ideas, functionality and practicality need to seriously be considered.
Several points and examples are in this thread.
1) My comment about tort reform. I agree that tort reform won't lower costs, but it has a very good possibility of slowing down the increases. Sometimes before you can reverse the train, you need to get it to slow down first.
2) Free coverage for more obscure and controversial types of medical procedures. Someone mentioned gender alteration surgery. Sure, idealistically it would be nice to be able to take care of everyone's problems, but what is the reality that ht voting populace is really going to be ok that their taxes are paying for something like this? It's a "neat" idea, but not practical.
3) The whole universal health care idea at the municipal level. Too many people, with no real way to pay for it, saying Philly should be cutting edge and give health care to everyone. Look how well Philly manages PGW. What makes us think they would do a good job with managing health care?
4) Make the health providers give free checkups/preventive care. How do we get them to do it? Ask nicely?
Brainstorming is good, but it doesn't mean you don't get held accountable to your ideas as well. No one should feel upset when their ideas get questioned. It just means you get to defend them and move along the validity and help shake out the good ideas from the bad.
Marc, I dont' know about your experience with CBH
but my experience, as a caretaker for someone with a mental illness, does not support your statement that: "Community Behavioral Health is, in many respects, a very good system."
Not to disparage many of the dedicated workers in the system, but in aggregate, the system tends to be quite short-term oriented, and as a result, does not successfully address many long-term issues that would have a significant impact on the rate of hospitalizations.
And with respect to your comments about medications, I don't know much about medications for other diseases, the efficacy of many of the newer psychotropic drugs for schizophrenia versus older drugs is very much in doubt, and at any rate, determining which drugs is best is very much a decision that needs to be made on a very individualized basis. That means a more comprehensive system than what CBH currently provides is needed. And finally, the most important factor related to medications and hospitalization rates is that many patients stop taking their medications (for a variety of reasons). That factor, again, leads back to the conclusion is that the single most important issue is the comprehensiveness and quality of CBH's services. So, regardless of the current level of services, further improving CBH's services would have the highest return on investment, IMHO.
What we can learn from the 3rd world
For those advocating more funding for mental health funding, I'd advise reading this study that suggests that -- sometimes natural social support in the community in developing countries is more effective than expensive drugs and professional therapists in developed countries. If you give people a simple job, that's often more effective than tons of drugs. It's not ground breaking stuff but it does serve to remind that pouring lots of money into behavioral health isn't necessarily a good investment.
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A valid point re: care for the mental ill
One of the disturbing findings of many studies is that many of the mentally ill in other countries have had a better long-term course of the illness, perhaps due to the fact that they haven't been treated with medicines but more integrated into their communities.
However, the fact of the matter is that our whole social system is very different than in other countries. We're much less likely to have extended families, for example. So, I think your point that public funding of services is not the way to go is based on comparing apples with oranges.
Particularly given the closing of mental institutions, we desparately need better funding of mental health servies. I would argue that having much of that funding dedicated to better building social and employment networks to help integrate those with mental illness into society at large should be a higher priority. So, I don't see your point with being mutually exclusive with the goal of better funding.
And in terms of cost/benefits, given the pervasiveness in our society of treating mental illness medically, having more comprehensive systems to help the mentally ill stay on their medications would clearly be efficacious.
But thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
DEII--I AGREE WITH YOU
In fact, I absolutely agree on this point.
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this often isn't included in the same discussions
I think it's critical that the city improve emergency response coverage -- especially ambulances. there have been a ton of articles over the last two years describing the dismal condition of our ambulances, the insufficent number of vehicles and EMTs, the substitution of only partially qualified firemen for ambulances in some areas and situations... We need to get serious about making sure that people aren't ending up dead or diabled because of slow or inadequate response to health emergencies.
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"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
— Margaret Mead
what are we doing now?
Over three years ago, voters in this City overwhelmingly approved a charter change that mandated that the Mayor figure out a way to provide health care to all Philadelphians. As a result of that charter change, the Department of Public Health kicked off a year-long study, bringing together hospital executives, community activists, and academics to come up with a solution. That study acknowledged that the problem of the uninsured could only be truly cured at the national level, but suggested several ways that health care providers in the region could work together better too provide care to all. But what has actually happened to implement those suggestions?
One of the major issues that plagues the health care community (particularly acute care hospitals, but increasingly other providers as well) is the so-called 'technological arms race' that occurs when one hospital buys a three-dimensional ultrasound machine, and then everyone else has to buy one to stay competitive. What if the next Mayor made all the hospital executives in town sit down with him and declare detente in this arms race? What if, instead of racing to acquire the latest imaging technology, our major hospitals agreed to share it, and to invest the extra resources in jointly opening a free clinic?
On a more statewide basis, what if Pennsylvania let local communities weigh in on hospital transactions, as residents are able to do in other states? Last week, Tenet Healthcare announced that they were selling Graduate Hospital to the University of PA Health System, who plans to turn it into a rehab hospital. Does Philadelphia need one more rehab hospital? Or one less acute care hospital? Looking at the amount of money that Graduate has lost in recent years might lead you to conclude that we can live without it, but how do the residents of South Philly feel about having to travel further to get to the emergency room, or the maternity ward? The next Mayor could work with Governor Rendell to establish regional oversight of this kind of health care expansion or conversion, which would allow activists and academics to raise concerns about hospital closings (think MCP, or further out, Montgomery Hospital). Access to health care isn't just about health insurance--it's also making sure that there are providers in your community.
(Some of you know that I work on health care policy for SEIU District 1199P. Please don't mistake this comment, which is my personal opinion, for that of 1199P.)
PILOTs and other fundraisers?
We all know that the bulk of the city’s hospitals (all the area hospitals excluding those owned by Tenet Healthcare) are non-profit entities. As “institutions of public charity”, these hospitals are exempted from a wide range of taxes—local property taxes, sales tax, state and federal income tax—and have access to other financial benefits not enjoyed by for-profit businesses. I’ve done the math, these exemptions save hospitals millions of dollars each year. In return, nonprofit hospitals are expected to serve a charitable mission by providing “community health benefits”—free and reduced-price services that promote public health, including charity (free) care for those who need it. However when you compare the tax savings against what hospitals actually spend on community benefits, the reality is disgraceful. The same local hospitals that are pocketing tax dollars, are inconsistent in notifying patients of the availability of free care services, collecting inflated bills from uninsured patients and even going as far as to sue people for their unpaid bills…
Not doubt, this is a widespread problem, Philadelphia hospitals aren’t the only hospitals scamming the system. While this is a problem nation wide, there are things that the next mayor can do. Pennsylvania has an active history of challenging hospitals’ tax exemptions. I’ll spare you all the history lessons, but from 1985 (when the PA State Supreme Court created a 5-point test for property tax exemption) through 1997 (when Hospital Association of PA finally managed to pass a bill that protects hospitals) cities and towns across the state challenged the property tax exemptions of 175 hospitals. (That’s 175 of the 220 PA hospitals that existed at that time.) The storm of exemption challenges centered on a handful of common themes: excessive profit; inadequate care for the poor; and for-profit-like business practices.
No hospital permanently lost its exemption- but roughly a third of PA hospitals were forced to make payments in lieu of taxes (PILOTS) to their respective school districts and municipalities. Here in Philly, in 1994, then Mayor Rendell encouraged/urged/forced local non-profit hospitals to pay the city million of dollars annually to avoid losing their property tax exemptions. The agreement reached between Rendell and the hospitals established “charitable contributions” (either free services or monetary payments) of up to 40% of the hospital property tax assessment.
That was back in 1994. Has the agreement expired? Are the annual “contributions” used to provide affordable health care? Should the city ask for an increase in the negotiated “contribution”?
The health care crisis is complicated. By no means do I believe that we should be sucking local hospitals dry, but I do think that city officials should think seriously about enlisting all the resources available to help improve access to health care. In the end, is helping hospitals uphold their charitable mission all that bad?
Thank you so much! - Awesome ideas on hospitals
Jennifer and Kati,
This is just the sort of stuff we're looking for! Thank you so much! Keep this stuff hopping.
Hey, I don't mind if some hospital folk come on here and defend them, but this is definitely outside the box stuff!
BR
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If anyone wants to read/participate in an existent discussion ..
Someone had mentioned universal healthcare at the municipal level in November and it was discussed back and forth for several pages.
http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/showthread.php?t=27346
Insurance People? Hospital People?
The insurers and hospitals have gotten beaten up on here a lot. Now I KNOW some of you folks are reading this. Come on. You all have PR departments doing Google searches for your names every day.
Come out, come out wherever you are!!!
Maybe you think the City is screwing up your ability to provide the best care? Maybe you have a market-based miracle ready to kick in any day? Come out and give us the word!!!
I know the Delaware Valley Healthcare Council just released a report on all they have done to improve community health. They've also got testimony here on the hospital's role in covering the Uninsured. Help us understand your take!
Check out DVHC's Community Health & Hospitals reports here.
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The Fattah Plan for a Healthier Philadelphia
We announced the Fattah Plan for a Healthier Philadelphia early because health care isn't a privilege. It's a right that every Philadelphian should have access to. Here are four ideas we'd like to implement to save taxpayers money while giving every Philadelphian access to quality, affordable health care.
Annual Check-Ups for every Philadelphian
Like Ben shared on this board, some Philadelphians haven't been to a doctor or dentist in years because of lack of insurance. We can solve that if doctors, nurses and nurse practitioners (both public and private) work together to provide annual check-ups. We did it in West Philly with National Guard medical personnel. We can do it throughout the city by mobilizing the city's medical personnel to provide these check-ups on designated days over the course of each year. It's called preventive health care, and it saves lives and money by catching sickness before it's too late.
Cutting Insurance Costs for City Employees = Big Taxpayer Savings
Over the last five years, the Municipal workforce shrunk by 7 percent and health care costs for that workforce went up by 60 percent. We can solve that. If the city unions came together with the city and negotiated a health care plan under a single insurer, through a competitive bid process, we could cut costs and save taxpayers millions. Cities like New York, Chicago and Boston all have achieved significant savings through this strategy. To reduce costs even further, we could follow the example of San Jose, which bids out its single contract every four years. By regularly re-bidding the contract, we would force insurance companies to compete for our dollars by giving us low rates on treatment, prescriptions and drug costs. Not only could we do it with city unions. We could bring in the School District and other large Philly-based employers to force costs down even more.
Low-Cost Prescription Drugs
We have major pharmaceutical companies in the region that provide free or reduced cost drugs to those who need them. We think more Philadelphians should know about these programs and utilize them. An innovative city government can work with the pharmaceutical community to make that happen. After all, charity starts at home.
Get Philadelphians to Use State and Federal Programs
There are state and federal health care programs that Philadelphians are qualified for, but don't know about. We can educate Philadelphians about them through the city's Department of Public Health, senior centers and social service agencies. Putting the word out about PACE, PACENET, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, Medicare Part B, Qualified Medicare Beneficiary and Specified Low-Income Medicare Beneficiary would allow people to get medical care and have it paid for without costing the city more money.
The full health care plan contains more ideas still. Ideas like improving our city clinics and expanding their hours. Some people say it would cost too much to do what we're proposing. We say it would cost more not to do it -- in sickness, in grief, and in preventable illnesses. The full Fattah Plan for a Healthier Philadelphia is available at http://www.phillyforfattah.com/health_care.asp. Please read it and respond here or on our blog - http://blog.phillyforfattah.com/ We'd love to know what you think.
Fattah for Mayor
http://www.phillyforfattah.com/
The kids agenda
As a child advocate in the City I want to make sure we don't forget the nearly 400,000 children and adolescents who live in Philadelphia. Although we are extraordinarily lucky that the vast majority of these children are insurable, there is much the City can do to better meet the needs of our children.
- Increase investment in City Health Centers (longer hours, more staff). The City Health Centers are the backbone of Philadelphia's health safety net and must be adequately funded for both the children and adults in the City.
- Offer tax incentives to bring child psychiatrists to Philly. There is a shortage of child psychiatrists nationwide which results in long waiting lists for behavioral health evaluations and treatment. Children in our City who are in pain should not have to wait months to see a psychiatrist! The City could expand tax incentives beyond just new buildings as a way to recruit and retain needed health care professionals (this could also be used for dentists and other health care professionals)
- Increase the City's investment in lead poisoning prevention. In 2005, 7,600 children across the Commonwealth were poisoned by lead - over 3,400 of them in Philadelphia. We need additional funding for the City's Lead Program to clean the houses of poisened children and to prevent new children from ever becoming poisoned.
- Expand health case management services to pregnant and parenting youth so they can finish high school. 70% of pregnant and parenting youth drop out and need additional supports to finish their education.
These are just a few of the many ideas organizations like Philadelphia Citizens for Children and Youth are working on to improve the health and quality of life for our City's children.
Thanks, Alisa. These are
Thanks, Alisa. These are important things to keep in mind.
Don't overlook the importance of nutritional health
While its great that we want to provide free health check ups and what not, that's only going to allow the treatment of an existing disease. I'd rather address the causes of disease and try to prevent the conditions that make the urban poor sick. Basically, the way I see it, the problem of urban healthcare is not the lack of access to insulin or some other expensive drug, the problem is the underlying conditions that cause the urban poor to be at-risk for developing diabetes or heart disease or asthma or whatever the disease is.
I have been trying to write a post on this subject over at Phillyville for several months now but it's just one of those subjects that have so many twists and turns and connections to other policies that, attempts to dovetail the idea into Ray's YPP Apprentice Challenge... well, I basically just need to get my act together and finish the damn post... which is ultimately about why Philadelphia should implement the horticultural equivalent of the mural arts program.
Anyway, most of the health problems typically associated with the inner city are the result of improper nutrition. Too much fast food and not enough freshly grown vegetables creates a population at risk for heart disease. A diet rich in high fructose corn syrup causes a population that going to have a ton of diabetics.
Banning trans fats is a great first step. But we need to go further. We need to address existing policies that, while good intentioned, are actually making the urban poor sick.
Take school breakfast - we can't keep handing our kids a fried donut every morning and not expect a large portion of these children to end up overweight and at-risk for diabetes. We need to teach children how to eat properly and we need to make good food accessible to the urban poor.
I know its not fancy but a bowl of oat meal or fresh yogurt would make Philadelphians healthier than free check-ups or any other whiz bang proposals regarding low-cost prescription drugs could accomplish.
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Food is important. Not just
Food is important. Not just for health, but, for the ability to pay attention in school.
The Philly public schools should get rid of the crap they serve, and start serving healthy stuff (getting rid of soda was a good first step). I was thrilled when I realized I could get pizza and french fries every day in high school. But, was that such a good idea?
Give kids better food, with less sugar and less fried crap, and they will be able to pay attention better.
no way!!!
Dan and I actually agree on something!!! Woo hoo!
(I wonder if this has anything to do with how damn cold it is outside today)
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Punch and Pie
All that said, will there still be punch and pie and the YPP party?
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Nope
Whiskey and ho-hos.
Gasp! That's Hostess!!!
I thought you cared about this city!!!
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well
They shouldn't threaten to bolt East Falls then. Until they rescind, Ho Hos for all.
I understand your pain Dan.
I understand your pain Dan. But Hostess--it's like cheering for the Cowboys because the Eagles got rid of Chris Carter in the early 1990s when we all knew he was awesome despite a certain substance abuse problem.\
Just ain't cool.
Supporting Michael Nutter in 2007!
And hostess fries their pies
And like, if you like pie, hostess fries their pie. Which is weird and gross. Tastykake bakes them, like your mom did. See? so much better. I like the pies.
Which we WILL have at the YPP party, because I'm bringing them, so you should come and get some pie.
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no Soda
Come on, Soda is a good thing. No Soda gives me Project Learn flashbacks. You have been co-opted by the Hippy anti-soda crowd. By the way, I heard that since we left, they now let you have soda. Go figure.
Just kidding, of course.
Oops. Is it too late to post on this?
Before I wax all reformist, is the deadline past for this thread?
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