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On Ward Politics and Street Money
There is an article in the Inquirer today that briefly reports on some of my experiences with ward politics during the last election. I was disappointed by the article, in part because I thought I was talking off the record with the reporter and in part because the article is misleading about the role that wards and street money played in my campaign or other grass roots campaigns. (The Inquirer will be running a clarification about part of the article tomorrow.)
I plan to write about this subject in detail later, because these are two subjects that most people interested in Philadelphia politics do not understand very well and about which I learned a great deal in the last five months. Here are some preliminary points.
1. What Street Money is For. Street money is money paid to political organizers of all kinds for providing campaign services on Election Day. This includes paying campaign workers, paying organizers of the campaign, paying for campaign literature (e.g. ballots, door hangers, letters to constituents), and paying for lunches for campaign workers.
2. All kinds of organizations take street money not just ward leaders. Philly for Change sought street money from its endorsed candidates during the last election in order to pay for campaign literature. So did Acorn. Mayoral candidates and District Council candidates take street money from the candidates on their ballots in order to pay for campaign workers, literature and mail pieces. Independent contractors create political organizations that take street money for the same things
3. Almost All Candidates Pay Street Money. Every progressive candidate running at large who raised any money at all paid someone street money for something. While I spent a lot of energy on seeking support from ward leaders, paying street money to them was a small part of my campaign. I spent far more money on staff and cable television and campaign literature than I put on the street.
4. Street money, in most cases, does not buy places on ballots. I did not get on the Philly for Change ballot by offering them street money. I did not get on ward ballots in twenty or so wards by paying street money. In every case in which I was involved, an organizer of a ballot decided to put me on their ballot for one reason or another and then some asked for street money. That is what Philly for Change did and what some of the ward leaders who supported me did.
5. In some cases spots on ballots can be bought and it is not just ward leaders who sell them. Some so-called progressive organizations do so as well. A ward leader told me that one at-large candidate offered her up to $15,000 to be on her ballot and other ward leaders told me that the same candidate was offering about $4,000 per ward. All these ward leaders, by the way, turned the candidate down. Other ward leaders did not. I never offered any ward leader a dime either before or after they told me they had a spot for me on the ballot. And I did not pay very much after being asked.
6. There are lots of ways to get on a ballot. I got on some ballots because of my stands on issues or on reforming the city. I was on the Philly for Change ballot because I won an open election. There were at least three ward leaders who put me on their ballots either because they agreed with my reform ideas or because I had worked with them on some issues in the past. One did not ask for street money, a second asked for a little money for lunches for campaign workers, and the third asked for street money. Sometimes you get on these ballots because of personal relationships. Lou Agre has written about how his support of me was based more on our personal relationship than on anything else, although he was certainly more inclined to support me because of my ideas. I became friendly with a number of ward leaders over the course of the election. Over time they came to trust me and recognize that I would be a good council member and in the last few weeks they offered to help me out. Sometimes you get the support of a ward leader because the committee people know you well and demand that the ward leader support you. That was one factor in my getting the support of a ward leader with whom I had worked in the past. Sometimes you get on a ballot because of the recommendation of a powerful politician. Over the last two years I got to know some people in party or political positions who made a few calls to ward leaders recommending me. Sometimes you get on a ballot because of intra-party politics. When I announced that I would support Anna Verna for Council President, a few political officials were willing to help me get ward support and a few ward leaders were interested in helping me out. Again, in this case, only one of the four or five ward leaders who supported me for this reason asked me for street money. Sometimes you get on ward ballots because in one way or another either you or a ward leader backing you helps a candidate supported by another ward leader. That helped me in a few cases.
7. Sometimes people who put together ballots don’t keep their word or don’t really follow through. Luckily for me, with just a few exceptions, I was on all the ballots that people promised me I would be on. However, just being on a ballot is not enough. Organizations can decide to help some of their candidates more than others. Philly for Change, for example, put much more effort into Maria Quinones Sanchez’ campaign than it did in mine. The campaign of one district council candidate called me the other day to offer to return some of the money I paid them because their field operation did not help me much. A number of ward leaders put little effort into helping me get votes even though I was on their ballot. Sometimes that was because the ward leader really does not have any control over his or her committee people. Sometimes that was because my campaign was very low priority for that ward leader. Ward leaders are much more likely to really put out an effort for a candidate when they fear disappointing a fellow ward leader. That’s part of the reason Lou Agre was so important for my campaign. If I had three Lou Agre’s helping me out, the results would have been better.
7. Ward leaders make money in other ways. Most ward leaders hold parties that are also fundraisers. If you are candidate who is running for office city wide, and want to meet ward leaders, committee people, and other political officials, you have to attend these parties. All of us did so at a cost that was usuall from $10 to $50 altough one ward leader charged candidates $250 for his party A few days before Election Day, I was joking with some of my fellow candidates about which one of these checks was hardest to write. The competition was pretty intense.
8. Street Money Is Inescapable. Until thousands of people are willing to volunteer their time in politics, street money is going to be inescapable. And even if we had all those volunteers, it is going to be necessary for some things.
Over the course of the election I probably had 80 people who did some kind of volunteer work for my campaign and another 100 or so who worked for my campaign through Neighborhood Networks or Philly for Change That is not a lot of volunteers in a city-wide campaign in which there are 800,000 potential voters in over 1600 divisions. I would love to create a city-wide progressive organization that can put 2000 volunteers on the street on Election Day. That was my goal when Neighborhood Networks got started. In almost all cases, volunteers are much more effective campaign workers than paid people. But even an all volunteer campaign is going to need some kind of street money for literature—which is not cheap—and for lunches and for gas money for the rovers who distribute the literature and, most of all, for organizers. Our experience in Neighborhood Networks and the experience of other grassroots organizations is that it is very hard to find volunteers to do the important middle level task of recruiting, training, motivating, and directing volunteers. That’s why most organizations that rely on volunteers—such as Philly Against Santorum—have paid middle level organizers.
Reformers sometimes think that grass roots politics can be done without money. That’s simply not the case. One of my aspirations is to realize a slogan of Neighborhood Networks—the power of organized people can defeat the power of organized money. But organizing people takes some money and always will.
9. Moral Issues Arise in Election Politics Everyday. They arose every time I sought money from someone or support from a ward leader. Here are some examples.
Many of the people I asked for money, including many friends I called, could in one way or another have personally benefited from my being in office if I were inclined to help them. (Consider just this: Council members often help their constituents lower their property tax assessments.) Only in one case did a potential contributor raise such an issue with me and I immediately ended the conversation. But it was in the back of my mind all the time. This is, of course, a potentially corrupting feature of our politics and is one reason I so strongly support public financing.
Someone seeking political office has to try to win. It is sometimes said the first task of a politician is to win. That’s not my view as I’m not willing to do anything to get elected. My first task in politics as in everything else is to live my life in a way that respects my own ideals. But the second task is to win. And so every time I sought the support from an organization I had to ask myself if I could live with the consequences of that support. And that is not true with regard to ward leaders but also with regard to progressive interest groups and labor unions.
I am strong supporter, for example, of labor and of our municipal unions and was very glad to get the support of DC 47. I agree with most of their positions. But I was concerned that, in the face of growing health care and pension costs, DC 47 would ask me to commit to something that was beyond what I think the city could afford in the future. They didn’t.
Similarly, Clean Water Action is very concerned about the environmental costs of dredging while the longshoreman want dredging to happen yesterday. I sought the support of both groups while defining my position on dredging in a way that didn’t make either of them absolutely happy but that they could both live with. If they couldn’t then I was willing to sacrifice the support of one or another group.
Ballot politics raises similar issues. I was asked at one time if I would support Jannie Blackwell as Council President in order to be on a certain ballot. I said no. Once or twice a ward leader asked me for something inappropriate and I stopped talking with him. One ward leader asked me if I would give a job to one of his committee people. Patronage is a touchy issue with me, although I’m not absolutely opposed to patronage jobs. I had to make sure we understood that we were talking about a real person doing a real job well. Nothing every came out of that conversation and, in the course of the campaign, I never offered anyone a job in return for their support.
Another difficult decision is who to endorse. It was hard for me not to say who I supported in the Mayor’s race or in some district races. Being quiet just runs against all my natural inclinations—which are much more those of a teacher and political analyst than a candidate. But I simply couldn’t do that without jeopardizing my chances of getting elected. In one case I rashly made an endorsement that I later regretted.
Balancing the importance of winning with the importance of winning in the right way is something political leaders should think about all the time. I know I did and I think that I mostly came up with the right answers. I regret one or two decisions I made, but they turned out not to be problematic. Having gone through this difficult process, and knowing how hard it is to always strike the right balance, I’m a little more forgiving of politicians than I once was. But I have not wavered in my belief that your can run for office and still hold true to your ideals. I think I did so.










Can you provide a link to
Can you provide a link to the Inky article?
Street money makes politics
Street money makes politics feel like drug dealing, or like The Wire, and the product is ballots.
Poll workers work from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. You must feed them. You should buy them breakfast and lunch. (Organizing all of that costs money, along with the food.)
Also, you need to give them literature, and t-shirts are a good idea. The more of them you have on election day, the stronger your campaign will look.
You have to employ a bunch of folks to go around and monitor them, make sure they have food, water and literature. (Not in that order.) You have to make sure you have coverage at the biggest polling places.
All of that, along with the computers for the count, the rental cars for the folks that collect the count (poll workers estimates or actual numbers of voters, which is important real time information on where to focus resources, and how your campaign is doing), all costs money. Cash, not checks. $50-$75.
What the ward system has is very good hold on the best election day workers. You know the "strong" committeepeople, the ones whom some old ladies ask "Who are we doing this time?", and the committeepeople tell them. (The Judge of Elections is a powerful position. But that's for another day.) The committeepeople who know who is supposed to vote, and when (important.) Commiteepeople who can tell kids coming home from school, go tell your mother to come vote, and the committeepeople who can pull folks out of bed to vote. Those who register voters at age 18. Those folks.
Those folks win elections lower down the ballot. They have strong turnout for selected candidates. (Some people are going to vote for whoever they want, so it is losing its effectiveness.)
These folks expect to get paid on Election Day. (It's not that much money. So its not out of profit.)
However, if the party is not supporting you, or the ward leader will not support you, or the breakaway group of committeepeople are not supporting you (chances are you are not very strong in the neighborhood), but in order to make it close, you will need a replacement structure.
That costs money. That is where a lot of Street money can go.
As for the committeepeople, the biggest issue I had as a committeeperson, is that it was never clear to me, how much the ward leader got paid from various candidates in promising my support (which he couldn't, but you get the point), and the support of the other seven or eight strong committeepeople. (There is a lot of water leaking out of that hose, is my sense.)
That's what's shady about Street money. There is no real accountability as to where it goes. (Think, the party pays the Ward Leader, Mayoral Candidates pay, District Candidates pay, At Large candidates pay, Judges pay, but committeepeople are not making 5*75 an election. Where's the rest of the cash?) To me, that's the issue.
Aside from that it just feels sleezy carrying thousands of dollars in tens and twenties.
We paid by check
which makes it seem a little less sleazy.
Think about the expenses of a good ward leader:
1. rental of the hall where the ward meets. (Not unimportant. NN could use a permanent meeting place but can't afford one.)
2. Cost of paying to print the ballot.
3. Cost of sending a letter to voters from either the ward leader or committee people.
4. Food for poll workers
5. Perhaps some rovers to distribute literature during the day or to check on polling places.
And these expenses are not just for one election but for keeping the ward going year round, year after year.
So I'm sure wards run a profit this year and that helps them stay in business the next four years.
I suppose some ward leaders line their own pockets. I don't know how many do that but I don't think it is many. I didn't write checks made out to ward leaders but rather to the ward organizations.
Of course, it would be nice if ward leaders opened their books. That's the first reform I'd institute.
We concluded, by the way, that the key to spending street money wisely is looking for the ward leaders who have the best hold on their ward and the committee people who are strongest in influencing their division. I'm not going to say here how you can figure that out, but it can be done.
Comments made off the record
The fact that you made your comments "off the record" means you were saying what you really thought (or maybe you were just trying to impress someone).
They were made off the record
because I wanted to inform a reporter about my experiences but didn't want him to publish them in a newspaper. I didn't want them published in a newspaper because I didn't think a newspaper would devote enough space to the issue to explain the system thoroughly. And that is pretty much what happened. The article today made it seem as if I paid ward leaders for support, which was not tue, and that I didn't have some reason to think that ward leaders would follow through on the deal. Most of them did put me on their ballot. But, as I learned, there is a difference between just being on the ballot and having a ward leader really go to work for you.
Here is the link
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20070521_Nutters_big_appeal_to_t...
I'm grateful to Patrick Kerkstra who modified the original article after I pointed out that it was a bit misleading.
You are already in trouble when you
have to explain. Get over yourself.
It's not about me
I just think that people would like to know how the ward system really works. I've been a political scientist for twenty five years. And while I had studied political machines, and had a rough idea how they worked, I learned an enormous amount from this campaign and understand it much better than I did before. And I also see why this machine is both more valuable than I had realized and more problematic as well.
Those of us who want to reform politics in Philadelphia have to learn what it is we are reforming and what the consequences of various kinds of reform would be. We can't do that without understanding how the system works.
At this point, I'm actually more uncertain about what kinds of reforms would be helpful and what would not be. Politics in Philly is a lot more complicated than I had understood before I undertooks this campaign. So I want to report--here and in article and books I hope to write in the future--about what I found. That way, we can all work together to figure out what a reformed Philadelphia should look like.
And, beyond that, I'm a political scientist for a reason. I find this stuff fascinating. (And I've just scratched the surface here.) I went to ward meetings and parties both as a candidate on a mission and also as an observer who had been let into a strange world that was really new to me, a workd with all sorts of interesting characters and practices. That's part of the reason I had so much fun campaigning.
If you don't care to know about the political system and reform or don't find inside politics fascinating, just stop reading.
You needed better advisors
The way things are done in Philly is not a closely guarded secret. Anyone who has worked on even one campaign in this city has a pretty good idea what goes on. Had your campaign manager ever run an election in the city? Did you have consultants? Someone should have given you an explanation of the Philadelphia Political System back when you were first considering running for office.
The points is: what do you make of this system?
Maybe it is too soon to be talking about what I really want to talk about. What do you all think of this ward system? Is it all bad? If so, how can we get rid of it? If not, what are its virtues and what are its flaws? And how should we reform it?
I am not at all interested in discussing my campaign here. I'm still going over my decisions to figure out the things we did well and the, many more, things we did not do well. I may write about that sometime, but probably not for a while.
I started this thread to talk about the ward system and to explain how the system works to people who don't know much about it.
What I am writing about here are not things I learned all in this campaign. I knew a great deal of it before. And I had one of the best consultants in the city working with me who explained a great deal to me long before the campaign started.
There are some specific things about particular wards and ward leaders I learned that I didn't know before running. This was pretty much easy to figure out, between the data we had and the advice of our consultant.
And there were some campaign specific things we picked up, and could only pick up during the campaign, about who was backing whom and how much they cared about those candidates. That changes every election.
We actually did some very creative things in gaining ward support, stuff that, to my knowledge, was not done before. And we got some support from ward leaders in some surprising places. Obviously we weren't as successful as we might have been. I'm not ready to talk in specific about either the good things we did or the mistakes I made. Someday, but not now.
Academia Is Not Actuality
"What do you all think of this ward system? Is it all bad? If so, how can we get rid of it? If not, what are its virtues and what are its flaws? And how should we reform it?"
The system is the system. You can talk all you want about what the problems with it are, how to change it, etc., but no matter what, nothing is going to change. It's like having an argument about the electoral college. It's pointless. If you're serious about being elected to office in Philadelphia, accept that things are the way they are, that they are never going to change, and work within it.
So who is your consultant who is one of the best in the city?
where do i start?
this is such a silly argument, it's not really worth writing about.
Democratic ward system dominance has only been around since 1951 or so, and the party did not support a black Mayor until 1983. things pretty obviously change. change is constant.
i don't disagree with you that there are a lot of things about the current system that will not change, and sometimes talk about reform is just an excuse to avoid hard work like raising money or talking to voters or leaders. however, that doesn't mean the exact way things are done--where people basically only get out the vote because they are paid to--has to be the way it always is.
"Democratic ward system
"Democratic ward system dominance has only been around since 1951 or so, and the party did not support a black Mayor until 1983. things pretty obviously change. change is constant."
Wilson Goode was an insider -- he was Managing Director!
"sometimes talk about reform is just an excuse to avoid hard work like raising money"
That's exactly what this sounds like. If you want to win, don't complain about the system and how it needs to be changed. Raise enough money, get elected, and then try to implement change.
insider, so what?
the fact that Wilson Goode was elected after having served in city government may have made him an insider, but I don;t see how that has anything to do with th point i was making.
Wilson Goode won in 1983 for a lot of reasons, but a big one is that he motivated an unprecedented number of African-American Philadelphians to vote and to register to vote for him.
The status quo relies on a disinterested populace and low turn-out, but Goode's race changed that, at least for one cycle.
Things have changed, the can change, and they will change again.
My point is that Goode would
My point is that Goode would not have been able to do all of that had he not first held such a prominent position within the city government.
monsoon--and?
apple and oranges my friend. the point of the post is that candidates paying thousands of dollars to ward leaders to turn out a small group of voters in an election where party leaders try to suppress turnout through a variety of means is not a system that anyone should be proud to be a part of.
and the further point of conversations and people who are working to change how elections operate in this city is that every single eligible adult should be voting because city government should be something we own collectively and use to collective benefit of all.
Facts please?
"where party leaders try to suppress turnout through a variety of means"
When, where, who, how and what means. This just is not true and does not make sense.
the main form of suppression
ward leader=Marge Tartaglione
method=Commissioner's office.
Faulty math
How does Marge Tartaglione being a Commissioner suppress votes. Many ward leaders run active registration drives. How does Marge's office suppress votes.
Fred Voight head of the Committee of Seventy, when it policed elections instead of trying to influence them, always thought Marge Tartaglione did an excellent job.
You may not believe this, or want to, most ward leaders try to get people to vote. You have such a distorted and condescending view of what a ward leader does.
right, sorry Lou
we've been down this road before.
First and foremost, it is a tragedy that voter turnout in this city in this last election was 30%. Tragic.
Whose job is it to fix that Lou?
You are always so offended by people here who are critical of the way the vote is gotten out and the way our party is run, yet you never acknowledge any of the things that are obviously wrong.
Do I need to make a list?
ward leaders
-ward leaders who took money from all three candidates in the 175th in 2006 and did not put any of them on their ballots?
-ward leaders who handed out rubber stamps to voters in the 179th in 2006 and walking into voting booths with voters?
-judges of election advising voters who to vote for in the 48th ward this past election?
-"broken" voting machines in primaries on election day
The commisioner's office:
-no apparent plan to lobby harrisburg for changes such as same-day registration, vote by mail, etc.
-no budget to send postcards to every regsitered voter advising them of the date and location of every election--including primaries.
-lack of access to polls for people in wheelchairs
-lack of translators available to non-English speakers
-no plan to allow voting from any polling station in the city for a voter from any district
-no effort to coordinate election information advertsing among public agencies
-no sample ballot or candidate information listing sent to every registered voter
-no written plan to disband the elected commioners office (a vestigal county government organ) and replace it with an appointed official
Lou, you may be a good ward leader. 50% or, hell, let's be generous, 75% other ward leaders may be great too. But there's easily 25% (do you really need me to put 15 names out there Lou? Really?) who are really fucking it up for the rest.
So maybe I'd have more respect for your opinion if you tell me what you are going to do about the rotten apples who are spoiling you and your brethern's good names.
Response
I will respond to what I know about
ward leaders
-ward leaders who took money from all three candidates in the 175th in 2006 and did not put any of them on their ballots? I have no idea what or where this is
-ward leaders who handed out rubber stamps to voters in the 179th in 2006 and walking into voting booths with voters?
I have no idea what or where this is
-judges of election advising voters who to vote for in the 48th ward this past election?
Judges of elections are not Ward ledaers or Committee people, they are elected by the voters
-"broken" voting machines in primaries on election day-Machines break during every election.
The commisioner's office:
-no apparent plan to lobby harrisburg for changes such as same-day registration, vote by mail, etc.
-no budget to send postcards to every regsitered voter advising them of the date and location of every election--including primaries. You mean people did not know there was an election on May 15.
-lack of access to polls for people in wheelchairs- No longer true in 99% of the City
-lack of translators available to non-English speakers- Ballot is in Spanish
-no plan to allow voting from any polling station in the city for a voter from any district-Polls are open from 7am to 8pm. I doubt that people did not vote because they could not get to their local polling place. further this is a recipe for fraud
-no effort to coordinate election information advertising among public agencies- perhaps the City should send an outreach worker and a car for every voter-No wait that's what Committee people do
-no sample ballot or candidate information listing sent to every registered voter-Puhleeze
-no written plan to disband the elected commissoners office (a vestigal county government organ) and replace it with an appointed official-Yeah right
Living in a democracy takes a minor amount of work. There is no excuse for people not to vote. It is on the voter, not the Commissioners office if they do not vote.
Barrajas missed the tag and game is tied
as expected Lou
Every idea I mention to improve voting is done in other states. It's not crazy to ask that the city do a better job telling people where to go and vote.
30% of people voted. That's a terrible shame.
Pass the buck all you want, but the Commissioner's office is not doing its job.
You say you don't about the ward leader problems I describe above. Fair enough. But i am not making them up. So maybe rather than arguing with me, you should investigate, talk to the Party Chair and arrange to have him unseat the ward leaders in question to protect your good name and the good names of other ward leaders who are doing their job.
Lets deal
Like the country song says "and the winners count their winnings and the losers cry let's deal"
If your guy had won then you would be part of the system. If candidates do not give people to vote for them, then don't be surprised if they do not vote
what are you talking about?
If by my guy, you mean Chaka Fattah, I am not sure how that would have changed everything. I went to meet with Edgar Howard in 2006 when I was working to elect Bob Casey. Then and now, the City Commisioner's office did not work hard enough to turn out voters.
You are full of glib replies, but you offer no leadership at all. Take responsibility Lou.
City commisioner's office
Ray, that is a great list of things that need to change at the City commisioner's office.
In addition, I would add that they need to modernize their system. Right now, it's impossible for ordinary citizens to access the unoffical primary results-- even though the information is posted on the comssisioner's website. Everyone should have access to all the data about Philly elections-- and it's should be easy to find. No reason that all of this can't be dumped on the internet.
Lou, I have noticed that you seem to think we have no right to criticze ward leaders because we aren't part of the system. Well, the commisioners, all three of who just happen to be ward leaders, are supposed to be accountable to the voters. Surely you agree with the reforms that Ray has suggested? Those things seem like no-brainers.
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City Commissioners
I do think the Commissioners needs to be modernized and have information more readily available on line. I do not think you should be allowed to vote at any polling place.
If you think people do not vote because it is inconvenient, then we disagree. People do not vote because of various reasons; will not change anything, all politicians are corrupt, negative ads, fear of jury duty etc. This attitude is what makes the turnout low, not the mechanics of voting.
btw you can criticize all you want, but please have some facts not just statements that Marge Tartaglione = vote suppression.
Lou- The Mechanics of Voting Matter
Sorry, but you're just plain wrong about the mechanics not influencing voting habits (and please don't tell me I'm crying or being snarky). The biggest problem, which we absolutely could do something about, has to do with registration-- the fact that there is a cutoff 30 days before the election, the fact that the registration forms are unnecessarily complicated (to give but one example that I have witnessed people getting thrown off for: in the block for your registration address it asks you to provide your city in the same block as the rest of your address. One block over it asks for the city of your old registration in its own block, meaning people frequently put their city there instead of where it should go), people aren't given notice if their registration is rejected and a reason why, etc.
And you know what? There is a solution to the problem that has been implemented without massive fraud in states across the nation. It's called Election Day Registration (or Same Day Registration). From the DEMOS website:
There is a reason why we don't have EDR in most states, and it's not because of laziness, fraud, or technical difficulties. There are, believe it or not, a large number of people in this state who do not want the groups mentioned above to vote. They are called Republicans, and you are playing right into their hands by buying into any of the voter myths that DEMOS lists on their site. The "virtuous voter" who you keep pointing to may pay attention to politics all the time, see voting as their sacred duty, and vote every year. For a large percentage of people, those who tend to be any combination of young, poor, minority, mobile, renters, ESL, uneducated, or disabled (I'm sure that I'm missing some group), the system is setup to ensure that they don't vote.
Hahaha.
So according to Ray, the Democratic Party Ward structure doesn't want people to vote as well as the Republicans not wanting them to vote.
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
Different experience
My experience is different. My ward usually has the highest turnout in the city. During the 2004 presidential election there was not one Democrat in my division that had not voted( I know because I went out to each one who had not voted by 6:00 pm). The problem I have is in Manayunk where many young renters do not want to register because they don' want to pay car insurance, city wage tax or serve on jury duty. In every election I put on a large turnout operation.
People vote when they want
People vote when they want to vote. A lot of younger voters are not engaged, do not want to serve on jury duty, or just don't care.
But people find a way to make sure they are registered for Presidential elections, particularly contested ones in open Presidential years. Voting is a right, not an obligation.
Sure those ways would make it easier to vote, but I don't think you can blame Philadelphia's election commissioners b/c they have not advocated for more ways to make it easier to vote which have not been adopted by other large cities. If a Youth Commission can get on the ballot, seems like this same day registration could as well.
But to me, the bigger issue, is that so many younger voters -- not the highly educated blogging community, and some of them, don't care about politics and view it as irrelevant.
So...
you're saying that the large increase is due to people wanting to vote more? Do you have anything at all to back that up?
I don't blame the election commissioners of Philly for the lack of access to voting, I blame Republicans at the state level. But ignoring the realities, which very clearly point to EDL significantly increasing voting (esp. amongst young people), don't do anything.
So have the Dem majority in
So have the Dem majority in Harrisburg said anything about voting access?
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
What does that have to do with the price of tea in Chicago?
I have no doubt that you dutifully make sure that a very large percentage of people in your Ward vote. What's your point?
Are you arguing that the statistics are wrong? Are you arguing that the relatively large jump in voting that states with EDL is because those voters became better citizens over night and had an epiphany that voting really does matter?
Again, people who argue for keeping certain roadblocks to voting, including registration hurdles, have classically done so to purposefully exclude some group or another from taking part in our fragile Democracy. I'm not saying that you are advocating for such a position, but you certainly are making their job a lot easier.
I'm pretty sure you've never met a criticism you could take. We all know you're perfect Lou, but can't you at least admit that not everyone is as perfect as you are? If you can admit that we fail to live up to your high standard, than what is to be done about the rest of us? Short of figuring out how to clone you to deploy in every neighborhood across the city/state/nation, should we just give up?
Whatever
"Short of figuring out how to clone you to deploy in every neighborhood across the city/state/nation, should we just give up?"
Do whatever you want to do. Live in your parents basement, blog or whatever. Take cheap shots or not. I don't care.
I am involved in the process. if you think I am the problem then you know less than I originally thought. If you do one tenth of what I do for the City, for economic justice or for your community I will be shocked.
Ladies and Gentleman,
Ladies and Gentleman, Louuuuuuuuu Agre!
Hey Lou, when you scoff at people trying to get more people to vote, you should officially hand in your public servant ID card.
I think the point Lou is
I think the point Lou is trying to make is that there aren't any real road blocks to voting.
Some have mentioned issues with registration. How many people do you think have had their registration for years and don't vote?
Some mention voting locations. How many people live more 5-10 blocks from their polling location?
I think blaming "difficulties of registration" is a red herring when the majority of people that are correctly registered do not even vote.
Lou's example is that he gets high turn out because he almost drags people to the booth. I assume that implies that it isn't difficult for them to vote, they were just choosing not to.
The problem is voter apathy, not any sort of roadblock.
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
I don't want to get in the
I don't want to get in the middle of the personal shots back and forth, I don't think it helps folks who do not read the blog everyday understand the issues debated.
But on the point, there is no doubt that democracies should attempt to remove barriers to voting. Other democracies fine you if you don't vote -- sort of like missing jury duty. It is also clear to me that Republicans realize that by increasing the numbers of young and other disaffected voters, more of those voters are likely to vote Democratic.
But I think a more fundamental issue is voter apathy and a strong disdain amongst younger voters for the political process. It goes beyond not wanting to do jury duty -- which is a major reason -- there is this belief that all politicians are dirty and political involvement is pointless. In my mind, the City Commissioners should try to overcome that through voter education. Going to high schools, holding voter registration drives to get more people registered to vote, making more information available on the Internet. Those are things that they could do. In my mind, the same day registration and voting anywhere is really stuff more appropriately to be decided by the Legislature.
Very good point and a rule I
Very good point and a rule I like to follow. Don't worry about new legislation if there is a lot that isn't being done under the current rules.
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
First, your conclusion
doesn't jive with the fact that where they've made registration and voting easier, voting has increased - the point that Alex has made in this thread over and over. And there are no reasons not to make registration and voting easier - unless you're part of a system which benefits either by repressing votes or by maximizing a specific influence in who votes for whom.
Second, obviously, one of the reasons for apathy among voters is that many folks don't believe that the current system works to their benefit. The fact that so many people feel that way reflects the way the current system has let people down. The reasons why poor people feel that way more than folks with money is obvious. The concept that the only reason why poor people don't vote is because they're less educated than people with money is at best only partially true, and at worst extremely elitist. It doesn't take an education to know when you're getting the short end of the stick.
Either way - there is absolutely no reason why the system shouldn't be improved - both by making it easier for people to vote and by improving people's sense that the City government works for their benefit. Those should be the goals of any functionary of the Philly Party system. The fact that people that are a part of the system don't have those as their goals is, precisely, an indication that the system is broken.
I don't have a problem with
I don't have a problem with making voting easier and of course I believe voting will go up the easier it is. I just don't agree that Republicans in Harrisburg is why we have less than 40% voter turnout.
Theoretically, we could argue Philly dems are the problem because many people may just feel "the democratic incumbent is just going to win anyway".
We have a lot of educated people here. Has anyone done or read any type of study that investigated why voter turn out is low in Philadelphia?
That actually may be a very interesting project the DCC could use the ward structure for. Send out notice to ward leaders and committee people to go door to door asking the people in their division on 1) if they voted and 2) if they didn't, their reasoning
Or maybe find a Penn or Temple grad student that wants to do it for a dissertation. If we know the specific reasons for low turnout, it will help target what needs to be done to fix it, if fixable.
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
You'll be shocked?
Lou, you really are a card, and you really do think the world of yourself. Maybe you are the best thing since FDR, I don't really know, but, again, why do you refuse to admit that there are ways that we can improve our Democracy or our Democratic Party?
re: suggestions for improving elections
Those are good suggestions, but I think it's unfair to expect the City Commissioner's office to implement them. Those are improvements that should by the State and Federal Government. The city does not have the budget for it, and if Harrisburg provided the money for the city to make those changes, Harrisburg should really force all PA counties to make those changes and provide the money for it.
What the Commissioner's office can do, is make all of the various forms electronic and post them online. It's ridiculous that you need to go down to City Hall or Delaware Ave. to get some forms, and that some forms are exclusively at Delaware Ave.
"-lack of access to polls for people in wheelchairs"
They have begun eliminating the non-handicap accessible locations, though it some cases, finding a suitable polling place has resulted in moving the polling place out of the division.
"-no plan to allow voting from any polling station in the city for a voter from any district"
Now this I disagree with. How would you confirm that people are registered voters? If you could vote at any polling station, there would be wide spread ballot stuffing. People would load a group of homeless men onto a school bus and drive them from polling station to polling station.
little leadership from Commissioners
Now this I disagree with. How would you confirm that people are registered voters? If you could vote at any polling station, there would be wide spread ballot stuffing. People would load a group of homeless men onto a school bus and drive them from polling station to polling station.
Obviously any plan would need to have safeguards against voter fraud. For instance, use the municipal wireless network to allow real-time lookups of voter registration information.
But the message I got from the post isn't so much that these are specific reforms that we must see, but that we see little or no imagination, leadership or innovation coming out out of the Commissioners' office in regards to increasing voter turnout. The incumbents as far as I can tell view their job very narrowly, which is why I voted for Blair Talmadge, who has a much more exciting vision for what the Commissioners can do for the city. Their Web site is a pathetic joke, as just one example.
"Obviously any plan would
"Obviously any plan would need to have safeguards against voter fraud. For instance, use the municipal wireless network to allow real-time lookups of voter registration information."
That may sound good on paper, but what if the network goes down at 6:00pm? That would be a total disaster. And half the people who are judges of elections are senior citizens. Can you imagine trying to teach them how to use the system? And speaking of training, a lot of the people who run the polling places get a call from a judge of elections a few days before asking for last minute help because an official poll worker bailed -- I've had this happened and filled in for people at the last minute.
The current system is actually pretty good. It's pretty much fool proof for the judge of elections and other people who run the polling places and requires little training.
Low voter turnout is a national problem. Expecting the Philadelphia City Commissioner to solve it is delusional. The simple fact of the matter is that a lot of voters do not care about municipal elections. During federal years turnout is about the national average (and in fact, 06 turnout was higher than 02, so something must be working right). And before dealing with these large issues, I'd rather see the City Commissioner start with small stuff, like making all their forms available online.
This is a very short sighted view of politics
First, political machines have been dying all over the country for decades. There are some pretty obvious reasons. The number of patronage jobs has been reduced by civil service rules and the number of people who seek patronage jobs have declined, at least in cities that are thriving more than our city. (And certainly in the working class community in Philadelphia, patronage jobs are not as critical as they once were. Ward leaders play a much smaller role in deciding who gets to be a fire fighter or police officer these days than in the past.)
There have been major changes in the ward system in Philadelphia in the last thirty years, most importantly, the rise of powerful black ward leaders and black factions in the party in both the Northwest and West Philadelphia.
Even small, but important, changes occur from year to year. The ward system was a little different this year because the party chair was running for Mayor. City Committee ballots were produced differently than they have often been produced in the past.
Sometimes changes in a ward system happen fast. Tammany Hall—the Manhattan Democratic machine—was very powerful in 1960. Ten years later it was a shadow of its former self. Bob Wagner ran for reelection as Mayor against the machine in 1962, Ed Koch defeated the boss of Tammany, Camine DeSapio for precinct leader which, according to the NY rules, kept him from being chair of the party. And the New York Democratic reform clubs began to gain a great deal of influence. We progressives should study the reform clubs because, in many ways, our aims are close to those of the reform Democrats in New York, as are the tensions in our movement. (The story is told in James Q. Wilson, The Amateur Democrat). The Brooklyn, Queens, and Bronx political machines survived for a while. But two of the Bronx bosses have wound up in jail, one of the Queens bosses did and another committed suicide just ahead of legal trouble, the last Tammany Hall boss is probably going to jail and now all parts of the machine they are looking pretty weak.
I can think of lots of things that could dramatically affect our ward system in the next ten years.
1. The rise of more little d democratic wards beyond the 9th, 27th, and to some extent the 5th and 30th. This might be spurred by the election of new progressive committee people in three years.
2. The rise of more wards influenced by Local 98. John Dougherty tried to elect new committee people before. He might do so again.
3. Merit selection of judges.
4. The retirement of Bob Brady.
5. New legal scrutiny of the process by which money changes hands in the ward system. Some of what we take for granted in Philadelphia might not be legal by the standards that are now being applied in New York.
6. New rules for mid-term replacement. In the aftermath of the defeats of Carol Campbell and Dan Savage, the party might be willing to find a different way of filling these seats.
7. Public financing of political campaigns. I think this is more likely to be adopted in the next few years because it was so hard to raise money in the last election.
8. The election of Michael Nutter. In our strong mayor system, Michael Nutter could have some influnce over the direction fo the ward system.
In other words, the are large possibilities for change in how we do politics in Philadelphia. What we progressive decide we want to fight for can play a role in stimulating one kind of change or another. That is why it is useful for us to start thinking about what we want.
What's the point of all of this?
New York is a special case, as is every city. The Machine died in NYC because there were too many competing interests -- there is little unity within the Democratic party. The African American community, for instance, may be mostly registered democrats, but it's interests are split between recent immigrants and those whose families have been in the city for many generations. Ditto with the Latino community. Even though whites are in the minority, it's these divisions that have allowed a white mayor to be elected for the last four terms. And the $70+ million Bloomberg spent allowed him to bypass the system.
I don't get what the point of your musings are. Can the system in Philadelphia change? Yes, probably. Everything changes eventually. But so what. You lost the election. If you want to win, waiting to run again until these changes happen and/or trying to orchestrate them as a non-incumbent candidate is an ineffective strategy.
Great American Moments in Monsoon's History
At Valley Forge, he advised, "What's the point? Are the British really going to lose...?"
At Gettysburg, he noted, "Stay down! Can the rednecks be beaten? Maybe, but what the point...?"
To suffragettes, he proffered, "Give it up! Does anyone care what you think? Perhaps, but why bother...?"
Other highlights include qualified dismissals to African-American students in Tulsa, gays at Stonewall, and giggling at people in wheelchairs during hearings before the vote on The Americans With Disabilities Act.
Thanking all the valiant candidates endorsed by Philly For Change, and looking forward with GREAT expectations to the first four years of MAYOR MICHAEL A. NUTTER!
A little context
I don't know who you are monsoon, and you evidently don't know who i am.
My life in Philadelphia politics is not defined by the recent election. I'm been blogging here and on my own site for a long time, talkign about public policy and political reform.
And I have been a communitiy and issue activist for years. I helped start Neighborhood Networks in part to pursue that issue activism adn in part because I thought philly politics, including the ward structure, needed reform.
I don't know that I'll ever run for office again. But I will be active in issue and electoral politics. And that is why I writing here now.
And, if you had been reading closely, you would see that I actually have some positive things to say about the ward system. In fact, my experience in the election made my view of the ward systema more positive than it was before the election.
1. I had thought that money played a larger role in securing positions on ward ballots than it does. It is still too important. But the other factors I listed in the first post make money less important than I had thought.
2. I didn't realize how good committee people are around the city until I visited a lot of polling places on E Day. They are the best poll workers. The only folks I saw as good were the Neighborhood Networks and Ackelsberg people in the northwest.
3. More ward leaders than I thought actually care about good public policy and some care about reforming our political system. Some fit the stereotype of being wholly concerned with their own power and money. Not nearly as many as the press and reformers seem to think
4. Ward leaders are not as enamored with incumbents as I once thought...although I still think they are too inclined to support them.
5. Ward leaders really care about winning elections, much more than many progressives. That is a good thing.
and much more.
If you had asked me before the election what are the greatest barriers to progressives winning, I would ahve said the ward system and raising enough money. In the aftermath of my race, I'd say the big problem--and certainly my big problem--was raising enough money.
That the ward system was not as big a problem raises some interesting questions about how progressives can build the city wide organization we would like to have, and how much doing so is possible within the party as opposed to outside it.
So that's the point.
I had a bit of a negative
I had a bit of a negative view of the ward system, primarily built from the portrayal given to me by those not in the ward system.
After dealing with a campaign that had no ward support, but seeing how it worked, I do not have a problem with the system in of itself. In actuality, I think it lowers the cost of entry for candidates. If candidates primarily concentrated on the ward structure for support, they would have significant launch pad to work from.
I think the problem is, the ward structure, being part of "the party" is inherently skeptical of those that tout the "outsider" title.
And it is an open group. If you want to change it, run and hold offices in it. I don't think it is the great evil it is portrayed to be.
What is the difference between the 29th ward and Neighborhood Networks and PFC? They are all groups looking out for their perceived best interests and need to be courted.
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
You have been a political scientist
and activist for 25 years? You did not know how the system worked? You were eleventh in the race for at large--what kind of insight can you provide? How did you do in your state rep race, you did not get insight into the system then? After 25 years, you were eleventh. I will keep responding and reading to keep it real. I find it fascinating that after getting less than half as many votes as you needed to win you think people want your advice on how to win in the future. Councilman Goode had the best and clearest summary of it all.
Well if you are not interested n the details stop reading.
But for me it is the details that are interesting and that you need to know if you actually want to understand how our politics works. And the details are not in any book of political science, for a couple of reasons.
The first is that there is no good book about Philly ward politics. I know of only one decent book about machine politics written in 25 years for the simply reason that there are only two political machines left, Philly and Chicago. A guy named Dick Simpson wrote a book about Chicago. Our machine is very different from Chicago's. (A good book about New York’s ward politics was written about thirty years ago.) There has, unfortunately, not been a good book written about our ward politics. I'm looking forward to writing at least some articles about it.
The other thing is that no book of political science can tell you how to run for election. That requires practical experience. Suppose I explain that you can sometimes get a ward leader to support a candidate for council at large by offering to support his candidates for municipal court judge. I knew that before I ran. But I didn't know which judges were supported by which ward leaders. I didn't know the value of different wards. I knew how large they were but not how unified they were or how much regard other ward leaders had for the skills of a particular ward leader in delivering votes. I didn't know when these kinds of deals get made. I didn't know what the relative value of a judge and council at large candidate was. I didn't know the details about the difficulties of putting coalitions of white and black ward leaders together or any details about the two different collections of black ward leaders (although I knew they existed) or about the tensions between South Philly and Northeast Ward leader or about the role John Dougherty plays in the ward system or about how Chairman Brady can sometimes can influence the decisions of ward leaders and sometimes not. I didn’t know about 20,000 other details that make the difference between really understanding the system and not.
And by the way, I’m still a rank amateur. But I know who to go for the real expertise and I’ll be talking to them when I write my book.
If you think all you need to know about Philly politics is what Wilson told you, try running for office with that information. And that’s not a criticism of Wilson. I suspect he really does know his stuff. But he hasn’t told us all his secrets.
And, anyway, I'm not in the business of giving anyone advice about how to run for election. If anyone asks me about that, I'll refer them to someone who really knows. Again, that is a different thing than understanding in fine enough detail how our politics works to be able to make some recommendations about what is wrong with it and hwo to fix it.
Can anyone make sense of Marc Stier?
Marc wrote: "If you think all you need to know about Philly politics is what Wilson told you, try running for office with that information. And that’s not a criticism of Wilson. I suspect he really does know his stuff. But he hasn’t told us all his secrets."
It appears that Marc's problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know (and thinks that there is some "secret code") - so he shares lots of barely relevant details of his own experience in an attempt to demonstrate knowledge of the electoral system and break the code for others.
Here are my "secrets":
I was endorsed by the Philadelphia Daily News, Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia Tribune, and Philadelphia Sunday Sun.
I was endorsed by the Democratic Party.
I was on the official ballot of the Democratic Party.
I was on numerous "unofficial" ward and sample ballots.
I was on ballots from almost ALL mayoral candidates including Brady, Evans, Fattah and Knox in the wards where I placed first (and I would have been on Nutter's ballot if he had one).
Simply put, I won renomination as an incumbent in my fourth at-large primary. I lost the first one in 1991, won the next three in 1999, 2003, and 2007. Of course, since being elected, I've run as an "insider" - that's not a secret. Neither is my legislative and political track record.
It's also not a secret that Marc co-founded Neighborhood Networks as a shadow party - to run as an outsider - against the party machine. Then Marc realized that it was a bad strategy for winning an at-large seat in his first run - and Marc then decided that he wanted to become an insider to the party machine at the last minute.
Make up your mind, Marc - "insider" or "outsider"?
WWGjr
This is not campaign class.
I hope Marc continues to keep writing about the issues he cares about, like health care and SEPTA funding, and letting us know what's going on, and how we can act on policy decisions in the future.
Philadelphia elections, on the other hand, are an extremely tricky thing to discuss on a blog.
Here's my little note for people who are thinking about running for office or who would like to get involved in campaigns in the future....
Although I think some of what Marc is writing is right, it's really important to get multiple sources on things as important as campaign strategy. Running for office is very expensive and time-consuming and a very serious undertaking, it should be done right. If you are a progressive, and you want to run for office, please do your best to get other sources of information other than the blogging of one or two people on this website.
Go out and talk to people. (Like Councilman Goode!!! Here he is, right on this blog, sharing his insights.) Talk to people who are elected officials about how they got started, how they won election, how they stayed in power and faced off challengers. Try to find people who have 10-15 years more experience in this town than you do.
And make sure that they are people who do not see you as a threat (i.e. someone who would knock off one of their friends.) Their advice will be a bit shakier.
If you notice, most of the people who win electoral campaigns in Philadelphia are NOT on this blog giving out free strategic advice. Wil Goode is nice enough to come on here and list a few things. Thanks to Wil for that.
As I keep saying
I'm not trying to tell anyone how to get elected to office. If I really knew that, I would have won on Tuesday.
I'm trying to give people a better understanding of how ward politics works, something I understood in rough outline but not in detail.
The reason I'm doing it is that some of us reformers think that the ward system blocks good public policy and that it should be replaced / modified / destroyed.
To reach any judgment about that, we need to understand how the ward system functions, who it serves, and what the alternatives are. The answers to these questions are simply not obvious. I need to think real hard, hopefully with folks here, before I'll be ready to come to any answers. And that will help us figure out what we want and, also, how progressive candidates in the future should relate the ward system.
That still isn't political strategy, which involves knowing in detail the individual players adn what they want. I'm not talking about that here and can't tell you what the answers are going to be in 1, 2, or 4 years.
People who do electoral campaigns aren't coming here to give free strategic advice becaue their life revolves around running and winning elections and they don't want to give out their secrets. That's how they make their money, after all. They are useful for that.
That's not my life's goal. I'm trying to work with people in the city to build a democratic (small d) progressive movement that focuses on issus as well as elections. Small d democracy requires / demands an educated membership.
It's not that complicated!
Marc wrote: "That still isn't political strategy, which involves knowing in detail the individual players ... what they want."
There were 5 major Democratic candidates for Mayor and about 70 Democratic ward leaders - that's about 75 people who are accessible by phone - if you have enough of their support, you win.
It's not that complicated. But what Marc originally set out to do was beat them, not join them by gaining their support.
Marc changed strategies - from "outside to inside" - and is now sending mixed messages.
WWGjr
Wilson, some input on simple matters?
I'd be curious to hear your ideas about the ward/Philly Dem Party system.
As an elected official, and more specifically as an African American elected official (not that I'm limiting your councilmanship, if that's a word, to your race, but it is an attribute that is related to my questions), and even more specifically, as an African American offical that focuses much of his energy on advocating for the minority and poor communities in Philly, how do you evaluate the ward/Party system?
Perhaps a couple of starter questions:
Do you think the fact that the vast majority of poor and minority Philadelphians don't vote is an indictment of the credibility of the system?
Do you think that the low opinion of our City government held by the majority of Philadelphians is an indictment of the ward/Dem Party system?
Do you think that our elected government is prone to being disproportionately influenced by moneyed or tied-in constituencies (as might be seen in the lack of proactive representation on casinos, project development such as stadiums without significant and educated input from citizens, etc.)
Do you think that that "street money" and other ways that money greases the wheels of the system essentially disenfranchise Philadelphia's voters, and turns the system upside down whereby citizens/candidates need to meet the Party system's interests rather than the other way around?
Of if you prefer questions that aren't so loaded (although I really would like to hear your answers to them):
How would you suggest creating a unified "movement" of minorities, poor, labor, and "progressives" to advocate and lobby our government to be maximally responsive? Do you even think that is a desirable or needed or realistic goal? If so, do you think that the goal should be to change the system from the inside? Would changing it from the inside be possible? Would changing it from the outside be possible?
And BTW, While I'm at it:
Care to comment?
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'Public safety' plan halted
Opposition pressure in City Council leads to withdrawal of idea
By John Fritze
Sun reporter
Originally published May 22, 2007
Baltimore's City Council overwhelmingly rejected a proposal yesterday that would have allowed the mayor to lock down streets and close businesses in areas declared an emergency - taking the unusual step of pressuring the bill's sponsor to withdraw the measures before they were fully introduced.
Eleven members of the City Council spoke against the legislation - proposed by City Council Vice President Robert W. Curran - that would have allowed police to close liquor stores and bars, limit the number of people on city sidewalks and halt traffic in areas declared "public safety act zones."
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-md.ci.safety22...
BTW
No, I don't want to get stopped and frisked. :)
WWGjr
Responses to your other questions ...
1) The founding of the Black Political Forum in 1968 was meant to launch a movement for independent Black politics - 15 years later, Philadelphia elected its first Black Mayor. Last Tuesday, his son got 4612 votes in one ward (50th)- turnout is better in some places, more than others.
Independent politics is not about the system, we are responsible for voter turnout.
2)The low opinion of local government is due to its failure to dramatically cut the murder rate, the poverty rate, and the dropout rate - to name a few. But once again, we are responsible for who we elect.
3) Local government is no longer as influenced by campaign contributions. :) (pat on the back)
4)I'm on the record as saying that "street money" is one of the most corrupt parts of the system. But I'm also on the record as saying that my "pay-offs" always paid off. You can't legislate if you're not elected.
Also from the record, I've voiced concerns about public financing because public money would become "street money". But I think that public financing has to be considered at this point even if we can't control the "street money" system.
Lastly, for me, I am a child of an independent political movement which elected my father and continues to elect me. I also greatly benefit from the system as an incumbent. I use that advantage to create a mandate for my legislative agenda.
I don't think that's a secret but it's an individual political strategy that allows me to be politically formidable and independent.
I was cut by Donna Miller and Darrell Clarke from their "district" ballots and I was cut by many White wards leaders from their "party" ballots. I won in both districts and I came in second in the overall vote count - placing first in 28 wards.
The Black Political Forum set out to be successful independent of the Party - and to change the Party from within - but prepared to force change, from within or without.
As Ray has pointed out, that's proof that things can change and have changed - with good strategy and hard work.
More change requires more of the same strategy and hard work.
Right now, I'm focused on being a legislator - which has required my being elected. I beat the party to get there and I've enjoyed the party's support to stay there.
Enough said, I have a bill to pass today. That's why I do politics.
WWGjr
Councilman Goode's comments
Councilman Goode's comments underscore why having the right candidate is critical to getting elected (would seem well settled, but the debate about the importance of the party/money in electing candidates glosses over that.)
I don't know how strongly the 50th ward pushed Wilson Goode (Derek Green was running as well), or how late Councilmembers Clarke and Miller cut or did not support him, but in my opinion, it really doesn't matter. The 59th, 32nd, and 50th wards (among others in the district) are wards that are going to vote for a candidate like Wilson Goode. Be he on every ballot or none.
The issue is how to do very well in your base, to carry a lead out to other parts of the City, and have broad based enough support to win. (That's true for at large or district races.)
So, for those that speak about the "progressive" movement, picking the right candidate to support is important.
One of the things that came out of this election cycle, is few, other than Nutter and Maria, of the candidates "progressives" supported did well.
Right, we just won that little old "mayor" thing
against the party chair and the machine congressman who was polling over 50% going to the race.
Right, that's all.
Thanking all the valiant candidates endorsed by Philly For Change, and looking forward with GREAT expectations to the first four years of MAYOR MICHAEL A. NUTTER!
The mayoral race is totally different
Every ward leader in the city will tell you so. One said to me a few months ago: "People come to the polls knowing who they are going to vote for in the Mayor's race. They have seen their TV ads adn read about them in the newspapers. My committeepeople have almost no influence in a Mayor's race. But in Council and judicial races, my committeepeople determine who gets the votes in my ward."
Selective memory among party people
So I was the only one who encountered party person after party person at the summer barbecues of 2006 who predicted that Bob Brady was going to walk off with the mayor's race as "the unity candidate?"
I can still hear the calliope music as they jumped out of their tiny car...
Thanking all the valiant candidates endorsed by Philly For Change, and looking forward with GREAT expectations to the first four years of MAYOR MICHAEL A. NUTTER!
Sis-boom-bah, Sam
Just a hunch, were you a cheerleader in a previous life?
"Progressives" delivered the mayoralty to Nutter? Are all those upper-income Nutter voters in Chestnut Hill and Rittenhouse Square "progressives." Are the lower-income folks in other communites that voted for Nutter "progressives?"
Geez, I guess there are more "progressives" out there than I thought. Curious, though, you'd think that the candidates who self-identified as "progressive" might have done better given how they elected Nutter to mayor.
Seriously, I think that "progressives" would really benefit from a realistic sense of what their political influence really is. Hell, I think that progressives would benefit from some clear sense of who the hell they really are. My sense is that there's a real tendency towards over-inflated conceptualization in those regards. Look at all the clamor about "endorsements" from "progressive" organizations. Those endorsements may have helped, but were they a decisive factor in getting anyone elected?
I'm not saying that just to bash anyone. I'm saying it because I think that clear conceptualization is a key piece of strategic thinking about next steps.
I'll even grant that Nutter
I'll even grant that Nutter is a progressive, but D.E. II is absolutely right to point out that "progressives" did not elect Nutter. Nutter won black wards, Chestnut Hill, and Center City, and ran strong throughout the City.
He won for the following reasons.
1. Bob Brady siphoned off white voters from Knox.
2. Olivia Nutter's ad was brilliant.
3. There is a strong, anti-incumbent feeling.
4. Fattah ran a crappy campaign given how good a candidate he had the potential to be.
5. There were limits on how much people can donate.
6. He had a long record.
To say that Nutter was elected by progressives, is just short of the rooster saying b/c he crowed the sun rose. But I'll grant that Nutter was a favorite of progressives and they worked on his campaign. His campaign also ran on a very progressive platform. Of course, he did take pains to point out that he was black (unnecessary I thought, b/c his daughter is normal and his wife has locks), but he did that to get the black vote -- which he did.
My point is that for races other than Mayor (which for the purposes of argument I'll even give you that progressives helped Nutter, even though I don't think they can take complete credit), the Council candidates supported by most progressive organizations were badly beaten. Even McClure, who came close, came in last.
Unfortunately, that violates rule in politics -- if a candidate can win when you are opposed to him/her, your support and voice is irrelevant. The incumbents who won now know that they can essentially ignore the progressive movement. (It's not that bad, b/c I think that more people will see the light so to speak.)
But the movement has to connect with everyday voters, and it did not at the polls. Best example, Bill Greenlee and Bill Green.
Incumbents and the Netroots
I'm not sure about this. You could argue that the incumbents kept their seats, or at least kept the races from being closer, because they outflanked their challengers on some of the big crossover issues that progressives cared a lot about: casinos, ethics, campaign finance, etc. The voters rejected two of the party-installed incumbents for more progressive challengers -- races that seemed to condemn both the process and the people. But in general, progressive issues never became wedge issues in the campaign because the incumbents wisely didn't let them.
street money solution?
What is the threshhold above which disbursements need to be itemized right now? It looks like, under Section 3246(c) of the Election Code, that "Vouchers or copies of vouchers for all sums expended amounting to more than twenty-five dollars ($25) shall be retained by the candidate or the committee treasurer and shall be available for public inspection and copying as herein provided."
How about putting some teeth into that, and perhaps adding an additional "petty cash" rule similar to the federal one, which states:
And what would that
And what would that accomplish?
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
Sunlight
Force campaigns to disclose how they're spending money, make it easily available. I don't know how you can ban the practice of spending money on "field operations".
I don't have a problem with
I don't have a problem with increased disclosure, but do you think that will lower the use of street money?
If I recall, the going rate for election day is 100-150 a day. Isn't that already covered?
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
Can we regulate street money by legislation?
I share your concern that publically financed campaigns would infuse a great deal of new money into the wards.
But can't we regulate this? Can't we set some limits on how much money a ward leader can accept from a candidate?
I'm not saying I favor this. It might be one of those reforms that have unintended bad consequences. I'm just asking the question.
Ok, so you neuter wards, but
Ok, so you neuter wards, but what about the organizations that aren't wards that charge money to give you a street operation?
You aren't going to be able to prevent people from paying someone from doing street work on election day, sort of making a law that says there is no campaigning on election day.
A lot of this is really starting to sound like "sore loser legislation". People that didn't like the results of the election and they blame the system and not the campaigns or candidates.
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"yes adam gave some informative comments but he also seems to sprinkle a little adam dust on it." - merkin
not necessarily
Public financed campaigns don't create *more* money; they just change the source. Indeed, many campaigns will end up being comfortable using *less* money because of the arms-race-reducing aspects of public financing.
I don't see how you can limit the amounts non-candidates can receive for their "support", except, maybe, as an internal rule of the Democractic City Committee?
Will limiting street money make committeepeople independent?
No. It'll just put less money in their pockets on election day.
Why would anyone want to do that? (Unless they were pissed at committeepeople...)
I have long wanted to figure out a way to allow committeepeople to be more independent, so that they could better represent the constituents on their block rather than the ward leaders stuffing $100 in their pockets. The best I could come up with is to get the party to pay a stipend for showing up and working on election day.
That way money is guaranteed (as it should be: if we value what a committeeperson does, we should want committeepeople to be paid for it), and committeepeople are not as beholden to ward leaders.
I'm not sure how that would work, or how you talk City Committee into going for it. But it seems to me we should figure out a way to make people on the ground less reliant on backroom deals. The current system relies on backroom deals to get any money at all to the people who are, in a sense, footsoldiers for democracy.
Thanking all the valiant candidates endorsed by Philly For Change, and looking forward with GREAT expectations to the first four years of MAYOR MICHAEL A. NUTTER!
it's called economic justice
i don't have the numbers to back this up, but it seems like a lot of ward leaders and some committeepeople use E-day as a way to make some extra cash. if people were getting decent